Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:41:34PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > "Obvious" is a key word indicating that you need to check your > > assumptions at the door. While I will certainly concede that changelogs > > that spell out the nature of relevant upstream changes are more useful > > than those wh

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:37PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> 1. To show others, especially NM's, what not to do. NM's mostly learn >>by example, and I think it helps to ensure they don't follow bad >>examples. > >> 2. It's something that

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:15:37PM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > 1. To show others, especially NM's, what not to do. NM's mostly learn >by example, and I think it helps to ensure they don't follow bad >examples. > 2. It's something that should be obvious. Producing poor quality >chan

Re: LDAP adduser/deluser

2003-05-27 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Zed Pobre wrote: > > Could you elaborate on what ways yours works better than the original > > adduser? I'm sure Roland would love to hear about functionality > > improvements, and I'd certainly be keen for any improvements to the > > LDAP-specific code... > > My version

Re: Very uneven distribution of packages per maintainer

2003-05-27 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:40:06PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > Adam wrote: > > So doing bts work is worthless? :) > > Hey, someone once wrote similar scripts to count how many bugreports > were reported by anyone ! Try: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgindex.cgi?indexon=submitter&sortby=coun

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Bug#194961: ITP: yaz -- A C/C++ toolkit for Z39.50/ISO23950 applications

2003-05-27 Thread Eric Schwartz
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: yaz Version : 2.0.2 Upstream Author : IndexData * URL : http://www.indexdata.dk/yaz/ * License : BSD-ish: http://www.indexdata.dk/yaz/doc/license.php Description : A

Re: Packages with i18n support disabled

2003-05-27 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 11:39:09PM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > Hi, > > below is a list of source packages containing gettext .po files, > for which binary packages do not ship any file under a LC_MESSAGES > directory. > There might be several reasons: > a. Programs use gettext PO files to stor

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Yann Dirson dijo [Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:38:54AM +0200]: > That's more or less what I'd think of as well. We can start with an > empty security patch, and have this one grow as needed. This way, apt > will show people they have an outdated security patch - which, BTW, > may be more of an incenti

Re: Very uneven distribution of packages per maintainer

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Adam wrote: > So doing bts work is worthless? :) Hey, someone once wrote similar scripts to count how many bugreports were reported by anyone ! /me rejoices recalling he was ranked 3rd by the number of open bugs :) Well, never mind :) -- Yann Dirson<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Why make M$-Bil

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi Brian > > On [26/05/03 23:13], Brian Nelson wrote: >> Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] >> >* Closes: #159971, #124472, #147059, #70184. > >> Umm, no, the changelog is for listing changes (*change* log, get it?), >> not for just

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Herbert wrote: > Yes that isn't easy to check apart from the fact that if there isn't > an arch update after a security update to kernel-source, then that arch > is probably vulnerable. If you've got an idea on how this can improved, > please let us know. A possibility would be to define a versio

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Arnd wrote: > > Let's look at your example: > > | Patch-name: Debian base patch > > | Patch-id: debian > > | Architecture: all > > | Kernel-version: 2.4.20 > > | Depends: ptrace, isdnbonding, binfmtmisc, ethernetpadding, ... > > | > > | Patch-name: Pre-patch 2.4.21-pre7 > > | Patch-id: patch-2.4.21

Re: debian-exim mailing list?

2003-05-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Metzler wrote: > It would be nice if there were documented mechanisms to move a list > /painlessly/ from alioth to lists and vice versa, i.e. keeping the > subscriber list and redirections for the old list addresses. Please send me a patch to the List HOWTO I once wrote. You'll need month

Asking for maintainer for astronomical packages and some important (and related) issues

2003-05-27 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
Hi there, Since I'm overloaded with work (in and out of Debian) I'm considering orphaning a number of packages related to astronomy, they are: - openuniverse - starplot - spacechart - yale and - gliese The first three are GUIs to view astronomical date whileas the last two include astronomic da

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:39:50AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> > Perhaps a separate, concise message to debian-devel-announce? >> >> I doubt it would help. I see changelog abuse as an act of laziness, not >> ignorance. Common sense says that you shoul

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Sven wrote: > Why don't we use a scheme similar to what xfree86 use for its patches. > Sure we would need to adapt it as the patches are distributed, but we > could well do it. As I understand it, the xfree86 package uses (some derivative of) dbs, in which the package maintainer has to order the

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You people told me that: > - If i make a change to a package i've to list my changes in the package > changelog (Matt Zimmerman, no one ever objected this). > - If i build a new upstream, i've to list each change in the upstream > chang

Bug#194938: ITP: drivel -- A LiveJournal client for the GNOME desktop

2003-05-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: drivel Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Todd Kulesza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/drivel/ * License : GPL Description : A LiveJourna

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:43:22AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Brian Nelson writes: > > If you're not going to describe upstream fixes in the changelog, then > > don't close the bug in the changelog. The changelog is for describing > > changes, not listing meaningless numbers. > > If you want to

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:39:50AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Perhaps a separate, concise message to debian-devel-announce? > > I doubt it would help. I see changelog abuse as an act of laziness, not > ignorance. Common sense says that you should be listing changes in the > changelog. It's

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread John Hasler
Brian Nelson writes: > If you're not going to describe upstream fixes in the changelog, then > don't close the bug in the changelog. The changelog is for describing > changes, not listing meaningless numbers. If you want to have rigid, detailed rules for the content and structure of changelog ent

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:31:39AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Uhh, your packages include the upstream source, and therefore the > upstream source is "part of your package working". So it is part of my work, and changes to my work should be included in changelog.Debian... > > To demostrate how m

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:12:22PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > I can. > You wrote that you have "to list each change in the upstream > changelog" to know which bug can be declared as closed. Right? That is what i wrote, but is not what i meant: it have a difference meaning if you take it out of t

Re: Orphaning my packages

2003-05-27 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Another point of note is that nascent packagers are encouraged to adopt > other software that's already in the archive before packaging new > items. In this case, he is merely following that advice. Granted. OTOH, applications may be a better place to

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon 26 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote: > >> Umm, no, the changelog is for listing changes (*change* log, get it?), >> not for just closing bugs without any reason given whatsoever. >> >> Why do so many seem to have difficulty with this concept? Is it

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:47:15PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote: >> If your changelog merely says "New upstream version, closes: #123 #456", >> it's no help whatsoever, and I will (rightly) think that you suck. > > This is debian-devel: as

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Mathieu Roy
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > You said you have "to list each change in the upstream changelog" to > > know which bug can be declared as closed. And that's, as maintainer, > > your job, isn't it? But is it users job to do it too? > > I do not understand that: c

Bug#194902: ITP: libfilesys-statvfs-perl -- perl extension for statvfs()

2003-05-27 Thread Ingo Saitz
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-27 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: libfilesys-statvfs-perl Version : 0.68 Upstream Author : Ian Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : * http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-mo

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:14:28AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > The contraddiction of all this tread, is that: if i make a change to a package > i've to list my change in the package changelog (Matt Zimmerman, no one ever > objected this). If i build a new upstream, i've to list e

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 03:11:11PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > Didn't you just complain that people said you wouldn't have common > sense? > > How odd. Not that odd: if someone feels to be in the position of telling me that i've no common sense or express any other kind of colorful expression a

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 03:10:36PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: > Anybody has the right to express a point of view on anybody else work, > right? I'll try to keep in mind this gentlemen example of "expressing a point of view on anybody else work" next time, so i'll not misunderstend it with an offen

Re: does debian also support 64-bit x86 systems > HP i2000 itanium

2003-05-27 Thread Nathan Poznick
Thus spake PPMW: > dear sirs, > > does VMware also support 64-bit x86 systems > HP i2000 itanium > > ... what do we need? http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ The HP i2000 is mentioned as "working well" with Debian ia64. -- Nathan Poznick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not that I'm ag

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Mathieu Roy
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > > You discriminate and offend people only by reading a list of > changes, and i should be the one who suks (supposing i'm not right)? He has the right to think that you sucks at filling changelogs, regarding how you fill changelogs.

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Michael Banck
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:14:28AM -0500, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > To demostrate how much this issue is stupid, i'll make any one here > happy by including the entire upstream changelog in > changelog.Debian.gz, next time i'll build a new upstream. Didn't you just complain that peop

does debian also support 64-bit x86 systems > HP i2000 itanium

2003-05-27 Thread PPMW
dear sirs, does VMware also support 64-bit x86 systems > HP i2000 itanium ... what do we need? paul! _ NOTE: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged i

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:47:15PM +1200, Nick Phillips wrote: > If your changelog merely says "New upstream version, closes: #123 #456", > it's no help whatsoever, and I will (rightly) think that you suck. This is debian-devel: as soon as one declares he stops reading a thread, beasts came out an

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Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 26 May 2003, Brian Nelson wrote: > Umm, no, the changelog is for listing changes (*change* log, get it?), > not for just closing bugs without any reason given whatsoever. > > Why do so many seem to have difficulty with this concept? Is it > worthwhile to Cc this stuff to -devel, or should

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 08:16:59PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2003 19:04, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > Here I suppose the pre-patch is supposed to be applied first, and then > > > the application of the debian patch would only trigger application of > > > those dependant patches not

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Nick Phillips
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:46:02AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > * Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030526 21:41]: > > > It is _not_ obvious, and "closes: #..." gives no clue to someone reading > > > the changelog what might have been changed. Internet access, knowledge > > > of debbugs, et

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 27 May 2003 19:04, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > Here I suppose the pre-patch is supposed to be applied first, and then > > the application of the debian patch would only trigger application of > > those dependant patches not provided by the pre-patch. > > The order in which the patches are appl

Re: 2.5.69 kernel needs rtc.c patch

2003-05-27 Thread Arne Goetje
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 27 May 2003 17:45, Victor Torrico wrote: > RTC does not work either compiled as a module or into the kernel. A > patch for this is needed or a new kernel-source-2.5.69 package is needed. In 2.5.69 many things are not working... there are m

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:47:10AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > It is. Unfortunately, common sense is not always as common as we would > like. Are you trying to say that i've no common sense? ciao, -- Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis | Elegant or ugly code as well aliases: Luca ^De

2.5.69 kernel needs rtc.c patch

2003-05-27 Thread Victor Torrico
RTC does not work either compiled as a module or into the kernel. A patch for this is needed or a new kernel-source-2.5.69 package is needed. Cheers, Victor

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:42:29AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > Or better: > > 1. discover security vulnerability > 2. was it fixed in the Debian package? > 3. read changelog > 4. see a bunch of completely worthless "Closes:" messages > 5. throttle maintainer 1. defenestrate loser maintainers 2

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Arnd Bergmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 27 May 2003 10:27, Yann Dirson wrote: > Let's look at your example: > | Patch-name: Debian base patch > | Patch-id: debian > | Architecture: all > | Kernel-version: 2.4.20 > | Depends: ptrace, isdnbonding, binfmtmisc, ethernetpadding, ... >

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Herbert Xu
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All definite benefits. The one thing which seems to be missing is to ensure > that the arch-specific kernels do not miss out on important fixes (such as > security) to the main kernel source tree. Yes that isn't easy to check apart from the fact that

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:37:42AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:23:27AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:00:06PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > > > > > > We could get around Guido's point mentionned above by having a list of > > > default patches to ap

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Yann Dirson
Arnd wrote: > Actually, I was thinking of a different concept with a 'Replaces: tag, Hm. As I understand it, it would be more something like a "Provides:" declaration, it seems. Such a feature does not seem useless to me at first glance (we already see aglomerations of patches, like FOLK, which

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-27 Thread Brian Nelson
reopen 159971 reopen 124472 reopen 147059 reopen 70184 thanks Anselm Lingnau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Format: 1.7 > Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 01:15:33 +0200 > Source: bwidget > Binary: bwidget > Architecture: source all > Version: 1.6.0-1 > Distribution: unstable > Urgency: low > Maintainer: An

Re: Bug#194550: ITP: libemail-mime-encodings-perl -- A unified interfa

2003-05-27 Thread Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder
On Monday 26 May 2003 22:30, Kai Henningsen wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerfried Fuchs) wrote on 26.05.03 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As for the long descriptions, I really don't see what the use is in an > ITP. The packages will of course have them. A proper long description will help avoid ques

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 07:23:27AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2003 at 10:00:06PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > > > > We could get around Guido's point mentionned above by having a list of > > default patches to apply, which would by default contain the debian > > patch. > > Yes, but

Re: Bug#190302: Misusage of changelog!

2003-05-27 Thread Mats Rynge
* Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-05-26 18:05:11 +0200]: > Am Mon, 2003-05-26 um 17.15 schrieb Philipp Matthias Hahn: > > Or do you expect everbody to file duplicate bugs or subscribe to > > existing bugs ? > > AFAIK you can't subscribe to single bugs (at least I was told that a few > m