Re: Warning: python-apt in testing broken, aptitude users DO NOT UPGRADE

2003-05-18 Thread Adam Majer
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:01:31PM -0500, Taral wrote: > Looks like the python2.2 stuff migrated into testing without noticing > that it breaks python-apt. Anyone using python-apt (e.g. aptitude users) > are advised not to upgrade. > > Anyone know how exactly the testing scripts managed to miss th

Re: Warning: python-apt in testing broken, aptitude users DO NOT UPGRADE

2003-05-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:01:31PM -0500, Taral wrote: > Looks like the python2.2 stuff migrated into testing without noticing > that it breaks python-apt. Anyone using python-apt (e.g. aptitude users) > are advised not to upgrade. Huh? What's aptitude got to do with python-apt? Package: aptitude

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 18 May 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > | On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote: > | > should always try to stay as close to the original as you can. > | > Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the > | > opinion of our Apache people ap

Warning: python-apt in testing broken, aptitude users DO NOT UPGRADE

2003-05-18 Thread Taral
Looks like the python2.2 stuff migrated into testing without noticing that it breaks python-apt. Anyone using python-apt (e.g. aptitude users) are advised not to upgrade. Anyone know how exactly the testing scripts managed to miss this breakage? -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is digit

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If we're doing "let's have a conf where we normally don't" how about we > have it on the US's east coast aswell. I'd personally argue for the > nothern Virginia are myself. This would probably be in DC proper (specifically, at GWU) -- so a bit further nor

Re: Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Ben Collins
> What are other developers' feelings on the matter these days? If we're doing "let's have a conf where we normally don't" how about we have it on the US's east coast aswell. I'd personally argue for the nothern Virginia are myself. Too many conferences are held on the US's West coast, and if con

Debian conference in the US?

2003-05-18 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
[I've already asked a few relevant individuals about this, but am opening it up to the list at their suggestion.] I've recently been in touch with somebody (a lawyer and professor concerned with government open source policy) who is interested in sponsoring a Debian conference here in Washington,

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Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 05:13:54AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > Definately. This should be done if only to avoid multiple copies of a 27M > bzip2 archive wasting everyone's disk space and network bandwidth. > > Also regarding the i386 arch, multiple patches would be good. Something > in the i3

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 12:06:21PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > There is also a mechanism to order the order in which > kernel-patches are applied -- so if, say, a m68k kernel image > maintainer wanted to create a patch relative to the i386 patches, > they could depend on that patch,

Re: Packages with i18n support disabled

2003-05-18 Thread Christian Marillat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Denis Barbier) writes: > Hi, Hi, > below is a list of source packages containing gettext .po files, > for which binary packages do not ship any file under a LC_MESSAGES > directory. > There might be several reasons: > a. Programs use gettext PO files to store translations bu

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:21:15PM +0200]: > | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a > | laptop ? > > Hopefully, yes, but if you can bring a laptop: do it. :) Tollef, I might be able to bring an extra laptop with me, as I am sure someone will

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 09:33:48AM +1000, Brian May wrote: > Looking at woody in fact, it appears to only exceptions appear to be > HPPA and IA64: > > kernel-source-2.2.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.22 > kernel-source-2.4.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.10 > kernel-source-2.4.

Re: Packages with i18n support disabled

2003-05-18 Thread Daniel Bungert
Hello. On Sun, 18 May, 2003 at 23:39:09 +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: > There might be several reasons: > b. PO files are not used, e.g. they are test files (po-debconf) ... > zssh Upstream original source contains the full lrzsz source tree. zssh isn't gettextized, but lrzsz is (that is wh

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Brian May
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:52:54PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > I also wonder if there are efforts in progress to unify the kernel > source through more than two architectures? This would require a > group or architecture maintainers (current kernel package mantainers) > to work collaboratively

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:26:38AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Emile van Bergen wrote: > > So what do you propose then, to drop everything just because you > > cynically point out that a lot of rules are being violated today? > > What I'm saying is that (a lot of) these rules are archaic and i

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 03:28:27PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > > Right now we're getting really damn close to anarchy, when everyone and > > their dog has the means to entirely obliterate everyone else's mailbox > > with unwanted whatever-they-have-to-say, and sometimes even obliterate > > their comp

Packages with i18n support disabled

2003-05-18 Thread Denis Barbier
Hi, below is a list of source packages containing gettext .po files, for which binary packages do not ship any file under a LC_MESSAGES directory. There might be several reasons: a. Programs use gettext PO files to store translations but manage them with other tools at run time (eg. abiword

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Frank Gevaerts
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 07:26:34PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > I disagree. Once I've explained why I don't like HTML e-mail, people > normally see 'my side' and switch. And if they still don't see it, the following 'html' might convince them, at least if they use outlook (be careful. It is not h

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:39:21PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Sun, 18 May 2003 17:10:29 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >It's very rare for me to have a HTML email that I actually want to read, I >probably should configure my mail server to reject them all. I have sendmail rules to do that. I may go back to rejecting multipart/alternative mail as well. (s

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 06:55:37PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2003 17:10:29 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any possibility to prevent > >> translation work from being done on my packages. > > > >Unfortu

赢政天下广告招租

2003-05-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
赢政天下目前收集了15000多个软件,在国内是领先的。并将软件合理分类,加入软件搜索,便于用户查询,作为软件类网站, 赢政天下在国内更新是最快的,成为新浪、网易、YESKY等许多网站的信息源。 2、用户量大定位集中   本站访问量很高,每天页访问量超过100万,而且仍在不断增长,是国内规模较大的专业软件网站。由于本站为专业软件网站,因此用户定位非常集中,都是对软硬件信息感兴趣的电脑爱好者和软硬件发烧友。因此电脑软件厂商在本站宣传会收到意想不到的效果。如果是综合网站的广告,读者兴趣各异,其中对软硬件感兴趣的可以说是少之又少。而用户上本站就是为了获取软硬件信息,因此他们对软硬件广告的兴趣很大

赢政天下广告招租

2003-05-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
赢政天下目前收集了15000多个软件,在国内是领先的。并将软件合理分类,加入软件搜索,便于用户查询,作为软件类网站, 赢政天下在国内 更新是最快的,成为新浪、网易、YESKY等许多网站的信息源。 2、用户量大定位集中   本站访问量很高,每天页访问量超过100万,而且仍在不断增长,是国内规模较大的专业软件网站。由于本站为专业软件网站,因此用户定位 非常集中,都是对软硬件信息感兴趣的电脑爱好者和软硬件发烧友。因此电脑软件厂商在本站宣传会收到意想不到的效果。如果是综合网站的广 告,读者兴趣各异,其中对软硬件感兴趣的可以说是少之又少。而用户上本站就是为了获取软硬件信息,因此他们对软硬件广告的兴

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:39:02PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 01:54:34 +0200, Nicolas Boullis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You're probably right, those useless l10n teams are annoying. > > No offense intended, but actually I would prefer my packages to stay > untranslated. I

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 19 May 2003 03:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > When I first envisaged the kernel source and kernel-patch > system, I always figured there should be a single source package per > version -- the one you get from kernel.org. *EVERY* arch, including > i386, should provided a kernel-patch

赢政天下广告招租

2003-05-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
赢政天下目前收集了15000多个软件,在国内是领先的。并将软件合理分类,加入软件搜索,便于用户查询,作为软件类网站, 赢政天下在国内 更新是最快的,成为新浪、网易、YESKY等许多网站的信息源。 2、用户量大定位集中   本站访问量很高,每天页访问量超过100万,而且仍在不断增长,是国内规模较大的专业软件网站。由于本站为专业软件网站,因此用户定位 非常集中,都是对软硬件信息感兴趣的电脑爱好者和软硬件发烧友。因此电脑软件厂商在本站宣传会收到意想不到的效果。如果是综合网站的广 告,读者兴趣各异,其中对软硬件感兴趣的可以说是少之又少。而用户上本站就是为了获取软硬件信息,因此他们对软硬件广告的兴

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-18 Thread Denis Barbier
[All Cc's removed] On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 07:54:55AM +0200, Fabio Massimo Di Nitto wrote: [...] > I don't believe that there is not an estestic layout that can satisfy > all the languages we have in Debian. What is the rationale for having a single layout for all languages? How do developers che

Bug#193772: ITP: guidedog -- NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE

2003-05-18 Thread Paul Cupis
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-18 Severity: wishlist * Package name: guidedog Version : 0.9.1 Upstream Author : Simon Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidedog * License : GPL Description : NAT/mas

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 03:25:42PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Neil McGovern wrote: > > These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML > > e-mail in mutt. > You are figting a losing battle. Unfortunatly, this may be so, but the latest trend I personally have seen is away from H

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 18 May 2003 22:54:08 +0800, Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 11:38:14AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: >> These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read >> HTML e-mail in mutt. > Why not? Mutt deals perfectly well with HTML e-mail

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:25:42 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Neil McGovern wrote: >> These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read >> HTML e-mail in mutt. > You are figting a losing battle. If the MUA that someone uses is > set-up to send HTML (rich test, whatever)

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 18 May 2003 10:26:38 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Emile van Bergen wrote: >> So what do you propose then, to drop everything just because you >> cynically point out that a lot of rules are being violated today? > What I'm saying is that (a lot of) these rules are archaic

Re: Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 18 May 2003 16:52:54 +0200, Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I also wonder if there are efforts in progress to unify the kernel > source through more than two architectures? This would require a > group or architecture maintainers (current kernel package > mantainers) to work c

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 18 May 2003 15:30:52 +0100, Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Hello, Which does not matter at all. "This memo does not specify an >> Internet standard of any kind." having it distributed as RFC is >> just a convenience, because searching for "rcf1855" on goog

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 18 May 2003 17:10:29 +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any possibility to prevent >> translation work from being done on my packages. > >Unfortunately, there is a large population of the world that does not >underst

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What I'm saying is that (a lot of) these rules are archaic and > irrelevant in today's Internet world. Firstly I doubt any of the > people who violate the rules are even aware what an RFC is or what > it's for - and if they did they probably wouldn't

Bug#193758: ITP: xsupplicant -- Implementation of the IEEE 802.1x authentication protocol.

2003-05-18 Thread Chris Vanden Berghe
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-18 Severity: wishlist * Package name: xsupplicant * URL : http://www.open1x.org/ * License : GPL, BSD Description : Implementation of the IEEE 802.1x authentication protocol. This software allows a GNU/Linux or BSD

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 05:10:29PM +0200, Javier Fern?ndez-Sanguino Pe?a wrote: > On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:39:02PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any possibility to prevent > > translation work from being done on my packages. > > Unfortunately, there is a l

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Andreas Metzler
Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Hello, >> Which does not matter at all. "This memo does not specify an Internet >> standard of any kind." having it distributed as RFC is just a >> convenience, because searching for "rcf1855" on google will find >> perfect hits en ma

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Henrique de Moraes Holschuh | On Sat, 17 May 2003, Martin Schulze wrote: | | > should always try to stay as close to the original as you can. | > Changing the text layout is a NO-GO in my opinion - and in the | > opinion of our Apache people apparently. | | Apparently. We are trying to bring t

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:54:08PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 11:38:14AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > | These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML > | e-mail in mutt. > > Why not? Mutt deals perfectly well with HTML e-mail if you have lynx o

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 03:25:42PM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Yes, but then if the majority of clients can send/recive HTML email, who has > the compatibility problem? It doesn't matter what the clients are able to do. The majority of readers on this list don't want HTML-postings. Just like they d

Bug#193751: ITP: kwiki -- A Quickie Wiki that's not too Tricky

2003-05-18 Thread Michael D. Ivey
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-05-18 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kwiki Version : 0.13 Upstream Author : Brian Ingerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://search.cpan.org/author/INGY/CGI-Kwiki/ * License : Perl/Artistic Description

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-18 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:39:02PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2003 01:54:34 +0200, Nicolas Boullis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You're probably right, those useless l10n teams are annoying. (..) > Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any possibility to prevent > translation wo

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Russell Coker
On Mon, 19 May 2003 00:25, Matt Ryan wrote: > Neil McGovern wrote: > > These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML > > e-mail in mutt. > > You are figting a losing battle. If the MUA that someone uses is set-up to > send HTML (rich test, whatever) email then you are highly

Maintaining kernel source in sarge

2003-05-18 Thread Martin Schulze
Only a few people will probably have noticed the mess resulting from tons of different kernel packages in the stable (and unstable) distribution. Not only there are several versions of kernel source in each architecture, they are also different for most architectures. Only mips and mipsel share th

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 11:38:14AM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: | These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML | e-mail in mutt. Why not? Mutt deals perfectly well with HTML e-mail if you have lynx or w3m installed on your system and have auto_view text/html in you

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Ryan
Andreas Metzler wrote: > Hello, > Which does not matter at all. "This memo does not specify an Internet > standard of any kind." having it distributed as RFC is just a > convenience, because searching for "rcf1855" on google will find > perfect hits en masse. Hello, Finding it is not the problem.

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Ryan
Neil McGovern wrote: > These are all valid points, however, I still don't want to read HTML > e-mail in mutt. You are figting a losing battle. If the MUA that someone uses is set-up to send HTML (rich test, whatever) email then you are highly unlikely to get them to change it. Some devices (cable

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Ryan
Josip Rodin wrote: > Right now we're getting really damn close to anarchy, when everyone and > their dog has the means to entirely obliterate everyone else's mailbox with > unwanted whatever-they-have-to-say, and sometimes even obliterate their > computer (with viruses). We have the ability to ann

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Josselin Mouette | Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 14:49, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : | > The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches | > for people who don't have wireless. | | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a | laptop ? Hopefully, yes, but

Re: security in testing

2003-05-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Steve Kemp | On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 01:39:20PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: | | > > If a member of the sec-team says "Yes, we are actively trying to | > > find | > > new members, but finding competent and responsive people who have | > > the | > > time and will to help is very difficult", the

Re: Some important orphaned packages

2003-05-18 Thread Donald J Bindner
On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:39:00PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 12 May 2003 13:30:00 -0500, Donald J Bindner > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Maybe I should roll my sleeves up and send them some patches. > > apg's upstream is pretty responsive. I checked out the source, and I don't think it

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Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:26:38AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Society evolves and with it rules change, we need to accept this and see > what evolves - if it turns out to be bad then limits will have to be > applied, but I'm not seeing a complete state of anarchy break out yet... Right now we're ge

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 10:26:38AM +0100, Matt Ryan wrote: > Emile van Bergen wrote: > > So what do you propose then, to drop everything just because you > > cynically point out that a lot of rules are being violated today? > Society evolves and with it rules change, we need > to accept this and se

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Andreas Metzler
Matt Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Emile van Bergen wrote: >> So what do you propose then, to drop everything just because you >> cynically point out that a lot of rules are being violated today? > What I'm saying is that (a lot of) these rules are archaic and irrelevant in > today's Internet

Re: Daft Internet Stuff [Re: Returning from "vacation". (MIA?)]

2003-05-18 Thread Matt Ryan
Emile van Bergen wrote: > So what do you propose then, to drop everything just because you > cynically point out that a lot of rules are being violated today? What I'm saying is that (a lot of) these rules are archaic and irrelevant in today's Internet world. Firstly I doubt any of the people who