RFC: Thoughts on building modules

2001-04-25 Thread Sam Hartman
One thing that strikes me as excellent about Debian is the build system. The autobuilders and tools make it very likely that package builds are reproducible and a variety of tools like debhelper make it easier to do the "right thing" in many circumstances than doing something wrong. I've come a

Re: Base Bug Week, 30th April to 6th May

2001-04-25 Thread Brian May
> "Martin" == Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> Since the base system comprises our most important Martin> packages, virtually all of which are installed on any Martin> Debian system, your help is really needed! While Bug Martin> Squashing Parties usually fo

Re: Intent to package intel-rng-tools.

2001-04-25 Thread Viral
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:14:22PM -0700, Alexander Hvostov wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:35:37 +0530 > Viral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I am working on packaging intel-rng-tools. It is the daemon to utilise > > the RNG on i810 boards. Let me know if anyone is working on this. I > shall >

Re: Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-25 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:30:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > [...] i think you've done a good job of summarising the issues. i hope we can resolve this soon. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GnuPG Key: 1024D/CD5626F0 Key fingerprint: 9674 7EE2 4AC6 F5EF 3C57 52C3 EC32 6810

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Rob Browning
Dave Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i'm an idiot. i wasted bandwidth and answered my own question. Don't worry about it. Just in case anyone else was confused, I'm still in favor of having at least *one* precompiled kernel per-architecture, so no one *has* to compile a kernel, but if they

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Dave Benson
[from rob browning] > > prevent us from having a minimal set of kernel packages per arch, > > maybe even just one, and then having a kernel-custom package that pops > > up a debconf gui when installed, listing all the available [from myself] > [*] now, in fairness i often use the stock kernel anywa

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Dave Benson
> I think someone else suggested something similar, but what would > prevent us from having a minimal set of kernel packages per arch, > maybe even just one, and then having a kernel-custom package that pops > up a debconf gui when installed, listing all the available > configurations[1], and once

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Rob Browning
David Schleef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I develop/maintain several packages that compile kernel modules > outside the kernel source, and understand a lot about what is > necessary to compile modules outside the kernel. I have yet to see > a header package in any distro that is actually useful

Gnome bug 94684

2001-04-25 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
A more-or-less frequent occurrence with gnome upgrades is that something changes which causes preferences to get hosed. Each time I notice such a problem, I have reported a bug report, and each time, Christian Marillat has decided to ignore the issue. This is a very significant user issue; peopl

Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-25 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I've thought for a while that perhaps update-rc.d should have a > --persistant option that would do the same thing as "remove" AND add a > K symlink in /etc/rc9.d/ -- a valid but unused runlevel -- so that > users could permanently disable things in one swift commandline.

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:27:18PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > now what do we have? > > kernel-image-version-- To be more complete we could have: kernel-image I've said before that over 2000 kernel configuration options exist and it's obviously not feasable to make a standard binar

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Gordon Sadler
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 07:33:50PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 06:07:50PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > i am, and always have been, talking about the bloated number of > > > kernel-{image,headers} packages. > > > > I

Re: VA Debian banner old

2001-04-25 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:33:31PM -0700, Alexander Hvostov wrote: > It's not compressed, and therefore not patented. I say this because > `libungif' > can read it. Or can libungif read LZW compressed gifs but not write them? the latter. -john

Re: VA Debian banner old

2001-04-25 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On 25 Apr 2001 17:23:50 -0700 Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "RB" == Roland Bauerschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Not to mention that it's a grodie patented GIF. > > ~ESP, fan of http://burnallgifs.org/ It's not compressed, and therefore not patented. I say this becaus

Referring what kernel-images to build to the technical committee?

2001-04-25 Thread Sam Hartman
[cc list is an attempt at stakeholders for this issue. If I missed people, I'm sorry. If I annoyed people by ccing them even though they read the list, well I'm sorry too, but there are a fair number of people who tend to want to be explicitly cc'd when an issue pertains to them.] Summary: He

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Josh Huber
Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, we do have equivalent kernel packages for most of the (e.g.) > PowerPC variants. There it is a little more necessary than here, since > the kernels only boot on one flavor. There'll be even more when I > start building kernel packages on

Re: VA Debian banner old

2001-04-25 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "RB" == Roland Bauerschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RB> The Debian banner that is shown on VA / SourceForge or RB> whatever pages, still says Debian 2.1. Don't we have something RB> more up to date? RB> http://www2.valinux.com/images/ads/2.gif Not to mention that it's a

VA Debian banner old

2001-04-25 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
The Debian banner that is shown on VA / SourceForge or whatever pages, still says Debian 2.1. Don't we have something more up to date? http://www2.valinux.com/images/ads/2.gif Roland -- Roland Bauerschmidt

Re: Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 07:28:46PM -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: > I investigated the suggestion you provided, and there is one problem with it > for me: I use Maildir to hold my email, and not the mbox format. What solution > is there for me? Otherwise I like it very much. assuming a relatively r

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 06:07:50PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > i am, and always have been, talking about the bloated number of > > kernel-{image,headers} packages. > > I have to admit, I strongly disagree with having separate packages for > every fla

Re: Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
I investigated the suggestion you provided, and there is one problem with it for me: I use Maildir to hold my email, and not the mbox format. What solution is there for me? Otherwise I like it very much. - Jimmy Kaplowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:08:22PM +, Frederico S. Mu

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Alejo Sanchez
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > > > What it does use for crypto is openssl's libcrypt, > > wich is NOT needed when used as a simple (traditional) > > rotate system. So Debian can ship audit[d], and if > > a user wants it's advanced crypto support, she/he should > > install openssl package. > > >

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:52:53AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > ECN trips broken stuff. Happy now, Oh Mighty > Pedant? :) You could say the same thing about Debian. It can be incompatible with broken brains warped by certain other OS's...

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Rahul Jain
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:57:50PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Doesn't the user have to belong to the relevant group anyway? > We already control access to things like floppy drives, sound > cards etc through groups, so cd burning is another good example. -rwxr-sr-x1 root cdrom 498

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-25 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:52:08PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > This would prevent the NMUers from doing things like debhelper/debconfizing > packages without the maintainer's consent, as well as keep NMU bugs down. Well, but other problems like broken dependencies on binary packages dont g

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > What it does use for crypto is openssl's libcrypt, > wich is NOT needed when used as a simple (traditional) > rotate system. So Debian can ship audit[d], and if > a user wants it's advanced crypto support, she/he should > install openssl package. > does it dlopen this? in other words, if I h

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-25 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Herbert" == Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Herbert> I doubt the increase is going to be that significant. Herbert> Since most of these will eventually become part of the Herbert> mainstream kernel or get dropped. I hope that is not actually the trend we see. >> im

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Josh Huber
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i am, and always have been, talking about the bloated number of > kernel-{image,headers} packages. I have to admit, I strongly disagree with having separate packages for every flavor of i386 machines. What about the other architectures as well? Should

Re: Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread Frederico S. Muñoz
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:58:52AM +1000, Anand Kumria wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:48:24PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > > Hi Jimmy! > > > > > > > but I don't have the time right now to remember how to write a procmail > > > recipe > > > to filter out the list into a separate folder to p

Re: postgres user

2001-04-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
Blake Barnett wrote: >Call me crazy, but I can't seem to get into the database anymore. The >postgres user didn't have a password before and it won't accept a blank >password anymore. The postgres user was the only user and so there's no way >to get in to modify him. Am I just being dens

Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-25 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Shaul Karl wrote: > Package: ng-cjk > Priority: optional > Section: editors > Installed-Size: 164 > Maintainer: Yasuhiro Take <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Architecture: i386 > Source: ng > Version: 1.4.3.1-1 > Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.1), libncurses5, ng-common > Filename: pool/main/n/

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Alejo Sanchez
"Steve M. Robbins" wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:03PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > > > Since it is in non-us, at least for now that means it will not appear on a > > official debian cd. > > When I burned the 2.2r2 iso's last December, there was both a > "crippled" and a "non-us

Boost and Loki

2001-04-25 Thread David A. Greene
Steve M. Robbins wrote: [Info on Boost snipped. This is a reply to a discussion about wnpp bug #95251 (RFP: Boost) and is purposely not CC'd to bugs.debian.org because it doesn't add any relevant information to that thread. ] Great idea. In fact, Raphael wrote a message to debian-devel in March <

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:46:55AM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote: > > > + xcdroast uploaded 152 days ago, out of date by 142 days! > > > gtk/setgid problems, see 92230 etc > > > > that's new change in gtk 1.2.9 to disallow suid applications, which I find > > silly > > Why does xcdroast need to be set

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:52:24PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > IIRC it also disallows SGID, which breaks some games that only want to > > write to hi-score files. > > Guess that will force them to get a clue and write a sgid helper > then. ... and over tim

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:03PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > Since it is in non-us, at least for now that means it will not appear on a > official debian cd. When I burned the 2.2r2 iso's last December, there was both a "crippled" and a "non-us" ISO for the first CD ("binary-i386-1").

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 25-Apr-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: >> as long as lograte can be installed first, then I can later >> install auditd and everything will just work, sure. > > I can't use logrotate with msyslog, it won't work, logrotate is > just too limited. This would mean I have to

Re: console in testing

2001-04-25 Thread mdanish
Here's what I do: 1. apt-get update 2. apt-get dist-upgrade -uf if this breaks then, 3. dpkg --configure -a then 4. apt-get dist-upgrade -uf (the -f flag is especially important here) and repeat 3-4 until it finishes. Sometimes I might apt-get install or remove a package that is explicitly me

Re: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Arthur Korn
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry schrieb: > as long as lograte can be installed first, then I can later > install auditd and everything will just work, sure. I can't use logrotate with msyslog, it won't work, logrotate is just too limited. This would mean I have to move msyslog to non-US, since I will make it

Re: Only one who have parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available?

2001-04-25 Thread Shaul Karl
> Previously Shaul Karl wrote: > > [00:44:26 /tmp]$ dpkg -l doc-linux-text > > dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 69953 > > package > > `ng-cjk': > > EOF during value of field `MD5sum' (missing final newline) > > Show is that line and the few lines around it please.

Re: Intent to package intel-rng-tools.

2001-04-25 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:35:37 +0530 Viral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am working on packaging intel-rng-tools. It is the daemon to utilise > the RNG on i810 boards. Let me know if anyone is working on this. I shall > otherwise upload it tonight. Isn't there a kernel driver for that? Regards,

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:05:03AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > It may be a minor catch-22, but ECN is currently so broken, that only power > > users should be using it, as the rest will just continue flooding the > > netfilter list w

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:55:36PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > > No way should we be pushing ECN to the masses. It should stay in the domain > > of people like DaveM, until routers get fixed. > > The same DaveM who said he would enable ECN on vger to force > p

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:52:10AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > Yes, I know this. The bits are officially "reserved" in the RFC. Some people > took this to mean, "must be zero". This reminds me of my favourite quote from RFC2795: The Version, Sequence Number, Protocol Number, and Reserved fiel

RE: auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 25-Apr-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > Hi > > I got an offer from the friendly people at Core-SDI to make > auditd (server part of theyer BSD licenced, in development, log > management software) a full (read: better) replacement for > logrotate. > > Will a package in non-US/main have any chance to

Re: Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread Anand Kumria
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:48:24PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Jimmy! > > > > but I don't have the time right now to remember how to write a procmail > > recipe > > to filter out the list into a separate folder to prevent my inbox from > > getting > > too large. (Any help on this would be

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:53:13PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:49, Daniel Stone wrote: > > True, but often very little, if anything, gets done. about it; seeing as > > it's just a very small percentage of Linux users. A lot of people are in > > the production mentali

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:49, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:12:48PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > > No. ECN should be compiled in to all kernels! The issue is whether the > > sysctl is set to enable it by default or not. > > > > I think that we should all be using ECN and r

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:53:20AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > Quoting Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > [OK, ECN isn't > > broken, the routers are, I know, but same effect. ECN breaks stuff]. > > No, you still are incorrect. The routers are already broken. Use of > ECN merely exhibits ev

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:48:22AM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > Quoting Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK, > > there's no systems out "in the wild" that actually use ECN to make a > > difference. All that's happening is

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:12:48PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: > No. ECN should be compiled in to all kernels! The issue is whether the > sysctl is set to enable it by default or not. > > I think that we should all be using ECN and reporting the bugs to the people > who run the broken routers.

Re: Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Jimmy! You wrote: > Please CC me in any replies, since I am at the moment not subscribed to > debian-devel. I intend to become a Debian developer, and then I will > subscribe, Please let me know when you apply, so I can advocate you. > but I don't have the time right now to remember how to

auditd as logrotate replacement?

2001-04-25 Thread Arthur Korn
Hi I got an offer from the friendly people at Core-SDI to make auditd (server part of theyer BSD licenced, in development, log management software) a full (read: better) replacement for logrotate. Will a package in non-US/main have any chance to be accepted as full replacement for logrotate? As I

mailq & trusted user

2001-04-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
With new sendmail 8.11.3+8.12.0.Beta7-3 executing 'mailq' answer me: can not chdir(/var/spool/mqueue/): Permission denied Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser. from this message it seems that adding the user to /etc/mail/trusted-users can solve the problem, bu

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Aaron Lehmann
Quoting Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [OK, ECN isn't > broken, the routers are, I know, but same effect. ECN breaks stuff]. No, you still are incorrect. The routers are already broken. Use of ECN merely exhibits evidence of the colossal brain-damage in the routers.

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-25 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20010425 13:32]: > It would be nice if this were more widely advertised (for example, it > doesn't appear to be linked from http://qa.debian.org/). Such a list fixed. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Aaron Lehmann
Quoting Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK, > there's no systems out "in the wild" that actually use ECN to make a > difference. All that's happening is that peoples' systems are being > broken. > Which is sub-optimal. I wou

Re: console in testing

2001-04-25 Thread Philippe Gramoulle
Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > Hi all, > > what's the story with console packages in testing? I see > console-tools and console-utilities that conflict with each other, > console-common that replaces console-data... and there's nothing > in my /usr/share/keymaps so I can't check if loadkeys will fix >

Bug#95245: ITP: hnb -- Hierarchical notebook

2001-04-25 Thread Andras BALI
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Hierarchical notebook (hnb) is an ncurses program to organize many kinds of data in one place, for example addresses, todo lists, ideas, book reviews or to store snippets of brainstorming, to make a structured packing list or just to take random notes. It can expor

Proper Virtual Package Selection for Althea

2001-04-25 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
Hi. I am a new package maintainer in charge of my first Debian package. The package, an email client named althea, has just been installed into unstable last night. It is an IMAP email client, but I don't believe it supports reading locally through the mbox format files in /var/spool/mail (which is

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:16:51AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > A kernel-module must be built with the EXACT SAME environment as the kernel > being run. This means they need an EXACT match of headers. The ones that are > included with glibc are generic, and will NEVER match the running kernel(even

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Fok
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > + locale-vi uploaded 202 days ago, out of date by 192 days! > + locale-zh uploaded 190 days ago, out of date by 188 days! > probably should be removed from the archive as of glibc 2.2.x > (conflicts with glibc > 2.1.94, ex

Re: console in testing

2001-04-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:55:54PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:54:23AM -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: > > what's the story with console packages in testing? I see > > console-tools and console-utilities that conflict with each other, > > console-common that replaces conso

Re: macdebian?

2001-04-25 Thread David Whedon
Oui, va voir : http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ David Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:06:49PM +0200 wrote: > il y a-t-il une version de debian pour Mac? > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EM

macdebian?

2001-04-25 Thread Julien Pache
il y a-t-il une version de debian pour Mac?

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > mkfs doesn't fry harddrives, it fries data on harddrives. However, using > wrong video settings can actually destroy certain monitors. Would any of those monitors even work after you dug them up from the bottom of the dusty parts close

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Carlos Laviola
On 25-Apr-2001 Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:03:41AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> It's not silly, it is an extremely good idea. I'm very pleasantly >> surprised to hear that they did that. It is basically not possible to >> write safe suid X programs. > > IIRC it also di

Re: ALL: PARANOID from /etc/hosts.deny Should be Commented by default

2001-04-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Joey Hess | Daniel Stone wrote: | > Here's where theory and practice come into play. I only have a small chunk | > of 203.36.158.* (113-127, afaik), so how can you DNS-delegate that? At | > least, if there is a way, Telstra haven't figured it out yet. | | This is actually quite doable, you jus

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > > Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > Then you break things for no good reason. These "module builders" you > > > speak of should be using the same headers as glibc. > > > > Absolutely definitely not. User

Re: ALL: PARANOID from /etc/hosts.deny Should be Commented by default

2001-04-25 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Another tighter configuration provided the provider is using atleast BIND8 is to add the following to their 158.36.203.IN-ADDR.ARPA zone $ORIGIN 158.36.203.IN-ADDR.ARPA. $GENERATE 113-127 $ CNAME $.113-127 $GENERATE 1-2 113-127 NS ns$.example.com. In this example the BIND8 server

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben Collins wrote: > > > If we left everything to "you have to be smart enough", then let's just > > leave out the entire linux kernel, most of the software in Debian, and > > go for a minimum cygnus install. Let's

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Ben Collins wrote: > If we left everything to "you have to be smart enough", then let's just > leave out the entire linux kernel, most of the software in Debian, and > go for a minimum cygnus install. Let's just ditch all non-i386 > architectures. Hell, let's get rid of everyt

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > > Then you break things for no good reason. These "module builders" you > > speak of should be using the same headers as glibc. > > Absolutely definitely not. Userland is different from kernelspace, > and headers need

Re: ALL: PARANOID from /etc/hosts.deny Should be Commented by default

2001-04-25 Thread Joey Hess
Daniel Stone wrote: > Here's where theory and practice come into play. I only have a small chunk > of 203.36.158.* (113-127, afaik), so how can you DNS-delegate that? At > least, if there is a way, Telstra haven't figured it out yet. This is actually quite doable, you just need to have a clued isp

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Arthur Korn
Anthony Towns schrieb: > + libvoxel uploaded 357 days ago, out of date by 347 days! > has a year old "doesn't build" bug, 60985 I hacked at it at BSP#3, nothing depends on it, and the bug is _really_ obscure (that's not only me saying this). I asked the maintainer wheter it would be OK to re

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:52:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > > Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK, > > there's no systems out "in the wild" that actually use ECN to make a > > difference. All that's happening is that peopl

Re: [is this a faq?] How to build on .d.o machines

2001-04-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:09:49PM +0200, Mikael Hedin wrote: > I was sometime trying to build a package on a big endian machine (I > have only intel at home). So I used one of the .d.o big endian > machine and the unstable chroot. There is the build-essential > installed IIRC. But for my compil

Re: ITP: ttf-japanese-kandata

2001-04-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 12:22:46AM +, Takashi Okamoto wrote: > I send mail to Kandata authors Mr. Wakaba and Mr. Uchida. > I confirmed above copyright is not accurate at following points: > > - Omega font haven't been used already (Mr. Uchida's said) > > - "Other part" (Kandata sp

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 01:07:58AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: [...] > task-python-dev just depends on -imaging-tk. > > So this means python can't be updated without also updating palm-doctoolkit > and python-imaging, and those can't be updated without updating python. > > Further some of the bi

Re: ITP: ttf-japanese-kandata

2001-04-25 Thread Takashi Okamoto
Hi! At Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:07:42 +, Takashi Okamoto wrote: > Sure, but in the fact I judged by document in kandata distribution. > It says: > (kandata font is included various fonts) > -- > [Watanabe mincho] > > --- Watanabe font Copyright notice > > Undocumented. > > Bu

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Russell Coker
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 14:16, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? > > > AFAIK, there's no systems out "in the wild" that actually use ECN to > > > make a difference. All that's happening is that peoples' systems are > > > being broken. Whi

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:22:36PM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Do I have to check all dependencies in all 54 python packages in the pool > (10 architectures, 4 arch-dependent packages, 4 arch-independent packages), > to see what's the reason that keeps the packages out of testing ? > All I can

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-25 Thread "Jürgen A. Erhard"
> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> On 23-Apr-01, 18:52 (CDT), Sean 'Shaleh' Perry Steve> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This would prevent the NMUers from doing things like >> debhelper/debconfizing packages without the maintainer's >> consent, a

Getting packages out?

2001-04-25 Thread David Spreen
Hi there, I have splitted the lids packages into two packages per version. One who includes the kernelpatch and one the admintool. My problem i now uploading themwould cause problems and work because there would be conflicts with the existing lidspackages. Is it possible to get fast _all_ lidspac

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Daniel Kobras wrote: > Isn't the xcdroast/cdrecord suid/sgid stuff about grabbing realtime > scheduling priority? You can't control this via group ownership. You could start a suid helper that passes you a new capability though. Wichert. --

Re: TkRat & encryption

2001-04-25 Thread Dennis Schoen
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 07:41:29AM -0700, Mattia Monga wrote: > I have just packaged tkrat, a tk based mail client that is able to > sign, encrypt, etc. by using an external pgp/gpg program. huh you are *years* to late: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $ apt-cache show tkrat Package: tkrat Priority: optional S

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 11:57:50PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:46:55AM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote: > > Why does xcdroast need to be setgid? I think it's terrible to have any user > > able to burn or screw up a burn... why can't they use sudo or su? > > Doesn't the user h

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > Then you break things for no good reason. These "module builders" you > speak of should be using the same headers as glibc. Absolutely definitely not. Userland is different from kernelspace, and headers need not match at all. Feel free to search debian-devel or lin

TkRat & encryption

2001-04-25 Thread Mattia Monga
I have just packaged tkrat, a tk based mail client that is able to sign, encrypt, etc. by using an external pgp/gpg program. The Debian Developer Reference (6.2.4) reads: Do not upload to ftp-master packages containing software that is export-controlled by the United States government, nor to t

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 25, Anthony Towns wrote: >+ diablo uploaded 125 days ago, out of date by 115 days! > doesn't build on sparc, no bug filed It's an obsolete version which should be removed anyway. -- ciao, Marco

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:54:33AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > > That is the raison d'etre for kernel-headers. However, the new per-image > > > kernel-headers exist solely for the benefit of module builder

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:52:09PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > > > Why enable ECN at all, if all it effectively does is break stuff? AFAIK, > > > there's no systems out "in the wild" that actuall

Bug#95209: ITP: ipcheck - dnydns.org client to register dynamic IP address

2001-04-25 Thread Mark Purcell
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist URL: http://ipcheck.sourceforge.net License: GPL Description: This package provides an update service for the Free dynamic DNS hosting service at dyndns.org. Ipcheck.py is the only UNIX dyndns.org client rated at Compliant. The Debian ddclien

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:46:55AM -0500, Rahul Jain wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:33:46AM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > > > + xcdroast uploaded 152 days ago, out of date by 142 days! > > > gtk/setgid problems, see 92230 etc > > > > that's new change in gtk 1.2.9 to disallow suid applications,

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:16:30PM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > > It may be a minor catch-22, but ECN is currently so broken, that only power > users should be using it, as the rest will just continue flooding the > netfilter list with "Netfilter breaks all my websites!". [OK, ECN isn't > broken,

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 03:53:15PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > The following packages haven't been uploaded this year, and also haven't > made it into testing for a while. If people could go through and make > sure the maintainer knows about the issues, or do NMUs as appropriate, or > work out wh

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-25 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:54:33AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > That is the raison d'etre for kernel-headers. However, the new per-image > > kernel-headers exist solely for the benefit of module builders. > > Then you break things for no good reason.

Re: Debian LDAP Schema

2001-04-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:23:35PM +0200, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a message of 81 lines which said: > How about the following as a start: Thanks! > Is this the right list for such things? Is there a more appropriate list? There is apparently no debian-ldap (it might be usef

Re: Packages not making it into testing

2001-04-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Dale Scheetz wrote: > I'm not sure what the solution is for m68k... Simply use an Architecture line that does not include m68k. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - ignore at your convenience \ | [EMAI

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > No way should we be pushing ECN to the masses. It should stay in the domain > of people like DaveM, until routers get fixed. The same DaveM who said he would enable ECN on vger to force people who want to subscribe to lkml to fix their equipment? Wichert. --

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