Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 3:56:02 PM, Richard wrote: > Did you *ever* even *attempt* to read the FHS? It took me less time > for me to find this than it did for you to whine about not having a > specific cite. Did anyone else who were quoting from it? All of them did the same thing I di

Re: GPG trusted signatures, dpkg-buildpackage & gpg

1999-09-15 Thread Philip Hands
Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > gpg: Signature made Wed Sep 15 12:08:31 1999 EDT using DSA key ID 2FA3BC2D > gpg: Good signature from "Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! > gpg: There is no indication that the si

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Richard Kaszeta
Steve Lamb writes ("Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])"): >Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 11:25:11 PM, Jakob wrote: >> software. FHS states that /usr must be sharable over a network - e.g. if I > >Thank you for finally providing a very good reason for a new to

Re: w only giving `-' as the FROM field

1999-09-15 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote: > > "Chris" == Chris Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Chris> For months now, `w' has only reported `-' (well, *almost* > Chris> all the time, anyway) in the FROM field for any connections > Chris> made through `telnetd'. Finally, with the update to PAMe

Re: w only giving `-' as the FROM field

1999-09-15 Thread Ben Gertzfield
> "Chris" == Chris Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> For months now, `w' has only reported `-' (well, *almost* Chris> all the time, anyway) in the FROM field for any connections Chris> made through `telnetd'. Finally, with the update to PAMed Chris> `login', I once aga

Re: Bug o' the week

1999-09-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 09:04:52PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman écrivait: > If people really want this I guess I could trivially add it to bugscan. > It already scans the BTS database twice a day anyway. Not to mention, that a list of this kind does already exist here : http://master.debian.org/~hertzo

Re: Debian BTS

1999-09-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Great work guys. Just a query though -- is the web server on > www.debian.org working properly? It takes me several minutes to retrieve > the home page lately! No other sites exhibit this problem. AFAIK, but one other person did mention this - can you

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Chris Fearnley wrote: > How does one generate an RSA key using the gpg-rsaref package? It isn't possible. The gpg-rsaref does not have key generation code included. Also, AFAIK gpg does not have an option to generate a PGP 2.x key - it only creates OpenPGP keys. > How does

w only giving `-' as the FROM field

1999-09-15 Thread Chris Rutter
For months now, `w' has only reported `-' (well, *almost* all the time, anyway) in the FROM field for any connections made through `telnetd'. Finally, with the update to PAMed `login', I once again have the hostnames correctly appearing in FROM again. Does anyone know why this wasn't working for

GPG trusted signatures, dpkg-buildpackage & gpg

1999-09-15 Thread Joe Drew
gpg: Signature made Wed Sep 15 12:08:31 1999 EDT using DSA key ID 2FA3BC2D gpg: Good signature from "Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. gpg: Fingerprint

Re: ttyS0 vs cua0

1999-09-15 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 15 Sep, Peter S Galbraith wrote about "ttyS0 vs cua0" > > How universal is the use of ttyS0 instead of cua0 in other > distribution (e.g. Red Hat)? I told the upstream maintainer > of powstatd (a UPS monitor) that I has changing cua0 to ttyS0 in > the docs and config file for Debian, and h

Re: [ITP] TuxNES

1999-09-15 Thread Nick Moffitt
Quoting Zen-O-Phobia: > Well, http://zophar.net has one. You mean http://zophar.net/roms/nes.html ? It looks like there are three freely redistributable ROMs, including the original NES Elite (which was released by the author recently for redistribution). There's more

Strange mail from Anders Arnholm (was Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...]))

1999-09-15 Thread Philip Hands
Hi, Is anyone else seeing all this header drivel in everything that Anders mails, or have I got something in my gnus setup totally screwed ? The scattering of 's in the Subject seem somewhat suspicious to me. Cheers, Phil. Anders Arnholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In-reply-to: morpheus's mes

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 1:44:38 PM, Raul wrote: > Then perhaps this entire discussion should be moved to the fhs-discuss > list. Operative word was, well, was. Discussion over. Someone finally read what I wrote and provided what I asked for instead of trying to beat me into submission

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Raul Miller
> Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 12:20:43 PM, Anders wrote: > > As long as you don't count the "Filesystem Hierarchy Standard". On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 12:32:13PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Considering this thread was a criticism of the inclusion of it into that > standard, one cannot count th

ITP: irda-utils

1999-09-15 Thread NOKUBI Takatsugu
I made irda-utils package. It is GPL. deb http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~knok/debian ./ deb-src http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~knok/debian/source ./ Currently, I'm not a developer. However, I sent a mail to new-maintainer team 6 months ago. -- NOKUBI Takatsugu E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROT

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 12:37:41 PM, Anders wrote: > > Thank you for finally providing a very good reason for a new top level > > domain. About the only thing missing, IMHO, is a specific cite from the > FHS > > (section number would be good) but I'll take your word for it. > On pa

Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999

1999-09-15 Thread Joey Hess
-- Debian Weekly News http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ Debian Weekly News - September 14th, 1999 --

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 10:27:47 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Source code is not variable. Once its downloaded and compiled, it just > sits there. The whole point of a "ports" collection is that for a given > package, you have the corresponding source to every binary. That does not > change. It

Re: ttyS0 vs cua0

1999-09-15 Thread Philip Hands
Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How universal is the use of ttyS0 instead of cua0 in other > distribution (e.g. Red Hat)? I told the upstream maintainer > of powstatd (a UPS monitor) that I has changing cua0 to ttyS0 in > the docs and config file for Debian, and he said he'd chan

Steve Lamb in my killfile.

1999-09-15 Thread Jonathan Walther
Will someone please notify me when Steve Lamb becomes a reasonable person. As of 2 minutes ago, all mail from him is being sent to /dev/null by procmail. Sincerely, Jonathan

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:08:22PM -0500, David Welton wrote: > I think that as many packages as reasonably possible should migrate > towards them. They work pretty well, but I don't believe in forcing > them on people if they are really opposed. So even if we did decide to do what you suggest, I

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: > See, this little subthread came from that where someone said > /usr/packages, which was shortened to /usr/pac (IIRC), then /usr/pkg, > whereupon I jumped right back in and pointed out /var/pkg and forgot the lib > in /var/lib/dpkg. Source code is not va

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Anders Arnholm
>>>Steve Lamb wrote: > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 11:25:11 PM, Jakob wrote: > > software. FHS states that /usr must be sharable over a network - e.g. if I > > Thank you for finally providing a very good reason for a new top

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 12:29:30 PM, Anders wrote: > Then can you tell me how your three steps are easyer and faster them our > one step? How are you going to get the data on to the drive without a minimum installation on it in the first place? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 12:20:43 PM, Anders wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: > > Nor is it the case with /opt. > As long as you don't count the "Filesystem Hierarchy Standard". Considering this thread was a criticism of the inclusion of it into that standard, one cannot count that. I

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
I am doing this message wrong to prove a point. First of, Johnny, my name is Steve, not Steven. Johann, I would appreciate it if you used it correctly. Secondly, what you are doing is what I am doing here. Reply first, and then quoting. If you had read the FAQ in its entirety you would have

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Anders Arnholm
>>>Steve Lamb wrote: > Now, *YOU* tell *ME* how that translates into reinstalling, configuring > and restoring all data. Then can you tell me how your three steps are easyer and faster them our one step? Restoring everything from one tape in one moment usally gets done faster (as long as we

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Anders Arnholm
>>>Steve Lamb wrote: > Nor is it the case with /opt. As long as you don't count the "Filesystem Hierarchy Standard". / Balp

Re: Bug o' the week

1999-09-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously David Welton wrote: > Sounds like an interesting idea - are you going to come up with some > code to demonstrate how things work? If people really want this I guess I could trivially add it to bugscan. It already scans the BTS database twice a day anyway. Wichert. --

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 9:45:58 AM, Jonathan wrote: > Steven, you have no clue what we were even talking about do you. Go away. I know enough to quote properly. I know enough to know that where this whole branch of the thread started was about stuffing a database of possible "packages

ttyS0 vs cua0

1999-09-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
How universal is the use of ttyS0 instead of cua0 in other distribution (e.g. Red Hat)? I told the upstream maintainer of powstatd (a UPS monitor) that I has changing cua0 to ttyS0 in the docs and config file for Debian, and he said he'd changed it upstream too if that's what everybody uses. Do

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Jonathan Walther
Good god. Steven is even quoting Tom Christianson wrong. Tom said not to stick the WHOLE message at the bottom, where it doesn't provide context. What I have been doing falls in the realm of "providing context". On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: > Goody, I get to use this. Thank Tom Ch

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was:

1999-09-15 Thread Anders Arnholm
>>>Steve Lamb wrote: > Sure I can. Now, *YOU* tell *ME* why you can't see the similarities > between /usr/local and /usr/opt in the above scenerio. I mean, if /usr is If it wan't for that the rest of the Unix univere in about 20 years ago started to use the /opt mhiracy for this you should

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Jonathan Walther
Steven, you have no clue what we were even talking about do you. Go away. Playing devils advocate is fine. You aren't even doing that right. On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: > Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 2:09:38 AM, Gerhard wrote: > > /usr/pkg would be much better ;-))) > /var/pkg e

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Klee had an interesting idea on this, that makes more sense I think. If you look at all the different kinds of programs that are being packages you notice that a lot of them fall into quite well-defined categories such as Imake-based, automake-based, GNU-style, etc. It would make sense to make a

Re: BTS question: How to "forward" to an upstream BTS like jitterbug ?

1999-09-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > Now what if the upstream developer expects bug reports in a web-driven BTS > like Jitterbug ? How can I record in the BTS that I have submitted the > report into the upstream BTS ? If I remember correctly the address that the BTS uses can in practice be any stri

Re: ITP: gphone

1999-09-15 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
"J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Erm. Speak Freely employs crypto (it's in non-US/non-free). If gphone > employs crypto as well, shouldn't we find a non-US maintainer and a non-US > download location for it? Sorry, I probably should have elaborated. gphone will work with speakf

Beowulf/Mosix Packages(Was: Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian?)

1999-09-15 Thread ozkural
Yep, the debian-beowulf list is pretty silent. Now that I'm going to be installing an x86 cluster within 2 weeks, I might get my hands on some useful clustering software before the code freeze. Drake Diedrich says he can sponsor the packages, so it'd be great to package the good stuff. There's a

Re: ITP: gphone

1999-09-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 14:16:14 -0400, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: > and is also compatible with the speakfreely program for Windows and Unix. Erm. Speak Freely employs crypto (it's in non-US/non-free). If gphone employs crypto as well, shouldn't we find a non-US maintainer and a non-US download l

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 7:22:08 PM, Michael wrote: > You have no point. You're making much ado about nothing. I had a point, you just couldn't comprehend it, apparently. > The reason is that we need a place for ISV's to put software. This was never disputed by me. > People have bee

ITP: gphone

1999-09-15 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
gphone (aka gnome-o-phone) is an internet telephone with a gtk interface. It uses GSM compression, and thus should be useable over reasonable modem connections, and is also compatible with the speakfreely program for Windows and Unix. http://www.math.okstate.edu/~droland/gphone/gphone.html

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 11:25:11 PM, Jakob wrote: > software. FHS states that /usr must be sharable over a network - e.g. if I > should not be an issue there, either. However, the license for application > Foo may state that it

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 9:40:22 AM, Branden wrote: > On the contrary, you seem to believe your opinion should carry at least > equal weight to all the precedent and tradition that conflicts with it. No, I have asked for and never got a valid *TECHNICAL* reason for it. It took well over

Re: extipl, mbr--why? (was: GRUB)

1999-09-15 Thread Taketoshi Sano
Hi. In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Hands) writes: > Andrew Pimlott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: (snip) > > May I ask what the point of these enhanced mbr's is, since all of these > > features are available from the boot loader (eg LILO)? I've always had my > > LILO conf

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread David Welton
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:30:20PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > > > Joey Hess' debhelper scripts are a good API, maybe it would be > > > > good to standardize on them to some degree. > > > No. > > > > I didn't say "make them THE standard" > What did you mean then? I think that as

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 7:36:37 AM, Marek wrote: > For another time you show your ignorance. Hardly. > ftp is a user which CAN LOG into the system and which does log into the > system. For what purpose, pray tell? Why would this daemon enjoy privileges others do not? > majordomo

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 6:25:12 AM, Marek wrote: > * Steve Lamb said: >> Considering one can install a fairly robust system (FreeBSD, Debian) over >> FTP/NFS in under an hour and it takes 2-3 to go through a gig of data I would >> much rather reinstall the programs and retrieve the rela

Re: man preprocessor different than on Red Hat?

1999-09-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Paul Slootman wrote: > What happens if you pass the -pt option to man? $ man -pt -l ./powstatd.8 Then it works. Running that option on the _installed_ page like so: $ man -pt powstatd doesn't work. The uptream author said I should be able to view the man page using: $ gtbl powstatd.8 | nro

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 6:03:47 AM, Marek wrote: > * Steve Lamb said: >> Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:53:40 PM, Raul wrote: >> > Actually, the biggest problem with Windows is that it's not a standard. >> >> But it is. > Oh? Show me an RFC or anything of the kind that makes WIndows sta

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 5:49:09 AM, Marek wrote: > Huh? /opt IS a standard, and yet you opt (sic!) against it? So what IS your > point anyway? Well, if you would *READ* you'd get it. Instead you just want to argue. >> Windows is the standard in business computing. So let's all ju

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 5:45:24 AM, Marek wrote: > * Steve Lamb said: >> Again, please do not reply above. It is rude. > No, it might be inconvenient for YOU, but it's not rude. You are rude, all > the time. Goody, I get to use this. Thank Tom Christiansen for this one. It was wr

Re: For the Abolishment of "Ports"

1999-09-15 Thread James A. Treacy
On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:48:35AM -0700, David Bristel wrote: > While I agree that being completely i386 oriented on the web page, I will > point > out that the vast majority of systems out there are x86 based(I don't like the > i386 since I've prefered AMD CPUs over Intel since the 486 days). T

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Ben Pfaff
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 2:09:38 AM, Gerhard wrote: > /usr/pkg would be much better ;-))) /var/pkg even more so. Oh, wait, that would be too close to /var/dpkg. Which is what, exactly? I don't have such a directory on my system.

Re: Bug o' the week

1999-09-15 Thread David Welton
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 03:55:43AM +0100, Chris Rutter wrote: > I've had another early-morning idea. I think a metric called a "bug > index" should be invented. It would be calculated like this: every > severity of bug would be given a weight, say: Sounds like an interesting idea - are you goin

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was:

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 4:15:52 AM, Marek wrote: > As usually, you weren't listening. Somebody in this thread has said why it > is good to use /opt for third-party (usually commercial) packages: I am listening. Others aren't thinking. Let me use your example as an example. > /usr -

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
Wednesday, September 15, 1999, 2:09:38 AM, Gerhard wrote: > /usr/pkg would be much better ;-))) /var/pkg even more so. Oh, wait, that would be too close to /var/dpkg. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connect

Re: Distribution

1999-09-15 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:21:28AM -0700, Andrew Fear wrote: > Just looking for someone to talk to about getting 3dfx on the Debian > releases going forward. Thanks. The ideal person would be Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, -- Raul

Distribution

1999-09-15 Thread Andrew Fear
Title: Distribution Hi, Just looking for someone to talk to about getting 3dfx on the Debian releases going forward.  Thanks. Andrew Fear 3dfx Interactive, Inc.

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Philip Hands
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed 15 Sep 1999, Philip Hands wrote: > > > > I know there is some pathetic kudos about how many signatures you have > > Is the "pathetic" part the reason why you don't have any? :-) Ah, I'd not updated my key in the keyring since I joined. Well no

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Philip Hands
Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How do you prove to whoever is able to erase the package that you > are who you say you are? I.e. how do you convince them that they > should in fact erase the package? You do that by sending them a message signed with a new key, that you have had sign

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 09:41:11AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > The specific problem is that with multiple "optional" helper packages > available, all are being used somewhere to build some package, so, if you > want to build all packages in Debian, you _must_ first install _all_ of > the helper pa

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 06:57:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:12:44PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > No, I knew what the rationale was and I don't agree with it one bit. > > > In > > > short, their rationale is wrong and we're repeating the mistake. > > > We

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Martin Uecker
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:19:34PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: [...] > > With dinstall a compromise is short lived and can be undone by erasing the > > effected package. Creating a new key and getting people to sign it cannot > > really be undone. > > How do you prove to whoever is able to erase

Re: APRIS GNU/LINUX EXPO UPDATES. (need debian Logo).

1999-09-15 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Frederic CELLA wrote: > can i send to them ? (this one the fisrt page of www.debian.org) The webpage has a postscript version of the logo iirc. This should make it trivial for them to produce a 300dpi logo (or whatever other resolution they desire). Wichert. -- ==

Processed: this seems to be more of a system issue than simply a passwd one

1999-09-15 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > reassign 39256 general Bug#39256: MD5_CRYPT_ENAB in /etc/login.defs Bug reassigned from package `passwd' to `general'. > thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Debian Bug Tracking System (administrator, Debian Bugs

BTS question: How to "forward" to an upstream BTS like jitterbug ?

1999-09-15 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
We're supposed to record if we forward a bug report to the developer of the upstream source package. The BTS assumes that the upstream developer has a mail address to which the report is forwarded, and the BTS somehow relies on this address. Now what if the upstream developer expects bug reports i

Re: extipl, mbr--why? (was: GRUB)

1999-09-15 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 10:34:24AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > To stop the annoying FAQ: > -- > Subject: ARRGGH!!! HOW DO I GET RID OF LINUS! Who wants to do that ? You're silly. Gregor pgpEuV2qYtWHB.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: latest login,passwd + PAM upgrade

1999-09-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:58:28PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: > * Ben Collins said: > > > > Sep 15 16:41:38 jester login[30897]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: > > > pam_sm_open_session > > > Sep 15 16:41:38 jester login[30897]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: > > > pam_sm_close_session > > > > >

Re: man preprocessor different than on Red Hat?

1999-09-15 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 15 Sep 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > The man page defines a table like so: What happens if you pass the -pt option to man? Paul Slootman -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wurtel.demon.nl/ work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.murphy.nl/ debian: [EMAIL PROTECT

man preprocessor different than on Red Hat?

1999-09-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
In the preparation of a package, I've come up against a man page made for Red Hat that doesn't process correctly for Debian (at least on slink). The man page defines a table like so: [cut] Hit ^C to stop after you see something like: .in +3 .TS tab(#); l2 s2 s2 s4 s2 s4 s l2 l2 l2 l4 l2 l4 l. p

Re: latest login,passwd + PAM upgrade

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Ben Collins said: > > Sep 15 16:41:38 jester login[30897]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: > > pam_sm_open_session > > Sep 15 16:41:38 jester login[30897]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: > > pam_sm_close_session > > > > Any cure for that? > > Update to the latest PAM 0.69-6 in incoming. Some one

Re: latest login,passwd + PAM upgrade

1999-09-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:42:56PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: > Hi, > > After the today's upgrade of the login and passwd with PAM support I have > found one problem. It seems that there's something wrong with the pam_limits > module. After enabling it for login I get the 'Module unknown' mes

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Chris Fearnley
On Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 05:43:21PM -0400, Brian Almeida wrote: > How to switch to GnuPG for developers..a very brief mini-HOWTO > -- Very nice mini-HOWTO. But I still have several questions: How does one generate an RSA key using the gp

latest login,passwd + PAM upgrade

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
Hi, After the today's upgrade of the login and passwd with PAM support I have found one problem. It seems that there's something wrong with the pam_limits module. After enabling it for login I get the 'Module unknown' message and the syslog records what follows: Sep 15 16:41:38 jester login[308

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > > > >> None of this describes one bit why it has to be a top level > > > >> directory. > > > > Because it fits the Unix tradition of lazy typists. Im a lazy typist. > > > > Hear my carpal tunnel fingers cry out as they type the extra 4 > > > > characters in /usr/opt >

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 03:54:15PM -0500, Erick Kinnee wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:23:50PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > > No. > > > > Uhm, WTH is that about? No, what? No, they suck? No, don't standardize? > > No, don't s

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Sven LUTHER said: > > > > How do you know I don't do just that, via symlinks? I bet you'd never > > > > have > > > > guessed I have /usr/src/linux symlinked to /sys > > > > > > OK, now argue it as a standard for everyone as /opt is. > > /opt is a de-facto standard. By usage. By tradition.

Re: Backups (was: /opt/ again)

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 04:04:01PM +0200, Anders Arnholm wrote: > >>>Steve Lamb wrote: > > Depends on what you have on there. If it is stuff that is easily replaced > > from source, recompile. I'd backup the sources, not the programs > > themselves > It's almost always faster to recreate ev

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Chris Rutter
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Paul Slootman wrote: > > If all I'm doing is trying fix something, usually just invoking 'make' > will do it (or some subtle variation that a glance at the rules file > will make clear). Once it builds, I do 'debian/rules clean' and then > restart the package build, to ensure

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 02:43:59PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: > * Steve Lamb said: > > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 2:39:46 PM, Jonathan wrote: > > >> Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:14:37 PM, Federico wrote: > > >> > IMHO, /usr is what we (Debian) control, /usr/local is what I (the > > >> > sysa

Re: Backups (was: /opt/ again)

1999-09-15 Thread Anders Arnholm
>>>Steve Lamb wrote: > Depends on what you have on there. If it is stuff that is easily replaced > from source, recompile. I'd backup the sources, not the programs themselves It's almost always faster to recreate everything (idenical) from back that from something else. (I suppost don't have

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 10:12:44PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > > No, I knew what the rationale was and I don't agree with it one bit. In > > short, their rationale is wrong and we're repeating the mistake. > Well, I'm glad we have you around to give us the unambiguous, > unquestionable

Re: APRIS GNU/LINUX EXPO UPDATES. (need debian Logo).

1999-09-15 Thread Martin Bialasinski
* "Frederic" == Frederic CELLA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frederic> They publish next week a magazine. they need 300DPI DEBIAN Frederic> LOGO. can i send to them ? (this one the fisrt page of Frederic> www.debian.org) Check out http://www.debian.org/logos/. They can use the open use logo, the p

Re: Backups (was: /opt/ again)

1999-09-15 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 07:39:19AM +, Marc Haber wrote: > >Considering one can install a fairly robust system (FreeBSD, Debian) over > >FTP/NFS in under an hour > If a broadband internet connection is available, yes. That doesn't > apply to all sites. Who said anything about an inter

Re: APRIS GNU/LINUX EXPO UPDATES. (need debian Logo).

1999-09-15 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999 at 12:59:40 +, Frederic CELLA wrote: > They publish next week a magazine. they need 300DPI DEBIAN LOGO. At http://www.debian.org/logos/ you can find the logos as xfig source and as postscript. (Use ghostscript to produce the logo in your favourite bitmap format at your fav

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > Considering one can install a fairly robust system (FreeBSD, Debian) over > FTP/NFS in under an hour and it takes 2-3 to go through a gig of data I would > much rather reinstall the programs and retrieve the relatively small data > (/etc, btw, is data). I can't believe wha

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Gabor Fleischer
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Paul Slootman wrote: > I'm sure that most people don't check with the central key servers > every time they check a signature. > How should I do this? Is it automated? Can pine/mutt do it while I'm online? Flocsy URL: http://flocsy.spedia.net MAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Increasing regularity of build systems

1999-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 14, "David N. Welton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It would be nice if more packages built as if you were running a >regular make, instead of restarting from the beginning (running >./configure again), and in a more consistent manner. I proposed many times dh_configure to debhelper maint

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 14, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I signed my DSS key with the old RSA key and then asked people who >> signed the old key to sign the new one with their DSS key. >> This is easy and secure. >Again, no it isn't. How do they know that someone didn't steal your pgp >key?

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:53:40 PM, Raul wrote: > > Actually, the biggest problem with Windows is that it's not a standard. > > But it is. Oh? Show me an RFC or anything of the kind that makes WIndows standard? The fact that it is installed on almost every OEM equipme

APRIS GNU/LINUX EXPO UPDATES. (need debian Logo).

1999-09-15 Thread Frederic CELLA
They publish next week a magazine. they need 300DPI DEBIAN LOGO. can i send to them ? (this one the fisrt page of www.debian.org) if problem email to me. if not. i sen d to them this friday. bst regards. Frederic.

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Eray Ozkural
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 02:34:55PM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: > > I'm not a debian developer yet (and seems like I won't even attempt till I > > feel that new maintainers are welcome), > > If you've got a really useful package done up that you think wou

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 02:45:24PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: > * Steve Lamb said: > > Again, please do not reply above. It is rude. > No, it might be inconvenient for YOU, but it's not rude. You are rude, all > the time. > > > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:34:05 PM, Jonathan wrote: > > >

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 01:49:41PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> So why /opt and not /usr/opt with the possibility of /usr/local/opt? > > > Because unlike opt and local, there really isn't a difference between > > /opt and /usr/opt -- except that one's a standard. Why n

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > Again, please do not reply above. It is rude. No, it might be inconvenient for YOU, but it's not rude. You are rude, all the time. > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:34:05 PM, Jonathan wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Then why /home/ftp instead of

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Steve Lamb said: > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 2:39:46 PM, Jonathan wrote: > >> Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 3:14:37 PM, Federico wrote: > >> > IMHO, /usr is what we (Debian) control, /usr/local is what I (the > >> > sysadmin) control, /opt is where third-party package builders (e.g., > >> > Cor

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Gabor Fleischer
On 14 Sep 1999, Philip Hands wrote: > Obviously, if we're life-long friends, and I send you a new key signed > with my old key, and then you phone me up and establish that I really > did send it to you, and that your pretty certain that it is me on that > answered the phone, then a face to face me

Re: /opt/ again (was Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: ...])

1999-09-15 Thread Marek Habersack
* Branden Robinson said: > On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 05:59:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > Tuesday, September 14, 1999, 5:40:28 PM, Raul wrote: > > > As it happens, I already pointed you at the answer to that question, > > > you were just too lazy to take the hint. So [me being a fool], here's > >

Re: FreeBSD-like approach for Debian? [was: Re: Deficiencies in Debian]

1999-09-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 02:34:55PM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: > I'm not a debian developer yet (and seems like I won't even attempt till I > feel that new maintainers are welcome), If you've got a really useful package done up that you think would add to Debian, get someone to sponsor you. If you

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