Re: Let's Debian blow... gracefully! [was Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages]

1999-05-26 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 05:37:15PM -0400, Fabien Ninoles wrote: > The reason for a seperate directory is for ease of mirroring and CD > building. It gives us also an easy way to check if a package can be > on data. > > I will really like to see this one at least second. It's an old thread > that I

Editor(s) on boot/root/rescue disks

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 26-May-99, 04:33 (CDT), Martin Kahlert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found a very small vi-clone named levee on > http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code > its exefile is 36K. Would that be small enough? That's small enough, but consider these points: If we are going to appeal to non-Unix-w

Re: why I packaged the GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Juergen A. Erhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > "Edward" == Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [SNIPitty] Edward> 'Why does Debain have a gimp package and a gimp-non-free package?' Edward> 'Because of the problems with GIFs.' Edward> 'What problems?' Edward> 'Install gn

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Greenland wrote: > Why? While I like the jargon file, how is it different than the > gnu-philosophy pages or Anarchist FAQ: An interesting (set of) > document(s), but not really an appropriate part of an OS Distribution? > > Someone (Ben Collins?) mentioned that they treat it as a dictionary

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 26-May-99, 16:16 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Edward Betts wrote: > > I noticed that Steve Greenland sayed he was going to remove his > > jargon package because he did not think that it should be part of > > Debian. I disagree, I think the jargon file is an important part > > o

lsh 0.1 released (gpl'ed ssh) and expo pics

1999-05-26 Thread Justin Maurer
check http://linuxtoday.com/ also, my expo pics are up at http://158.59.192.56/le99/ -- Justin Maurer[EMAIL PROTECTED] IFT Systems, Inc.http://linux.hypnotic.org 6717 N.31st Street Tel: +1 (703) 237-5511 Arl

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Craig Sanders wrote: > maybe esr could be convinced to use dict as the 'source' format and > generate html or whatever else from that? It'd be nice if he could be convinced to use *any* format that is flexable to generate all the other formats. SGML and XML come to mind. -- see shy jo

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Darren O. Benham wrote: > Just as an aside, wouldn't a "dict foo" work if dictd had a jargon > dictionary? Sure, that'd work fine. In fact, it does work fine except that dictionary is out of date. My point about keeping the "jargon" command around with the same interface remains, though. -- see

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:11:49PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > On Wed, 26 May, 1999, Dave Swegen wrote: > > Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package > > use? > > None, I forgot about that one, it uses its own format. So that is > ANOTHER version of jargon, I presume it is

Re: Let's Debian blow... gracefully! [was Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages]

1999-05-26 Thread shaleh
Seconded, this seems a good solution.

Re: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration

1999-05-26 Thread Massimo Dal Zotto
> Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [1 ] > > From: Massimo Dal Zotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:01:57 +0200 (MEST) > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have done a few experiments about automatic configur

Let's Debian blow... gracefully! [was Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages]

1999-05-26 Thread Fabien Ninoles
Quoting Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 10:35:57AM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > > I changed the description so it does not say it is a mirror anymore: > > > > [..] > > > > Does that help at all? > > Not really, but if enough people really think I'm wrong on this I wo

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Darren O. Benham
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:16:37PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > The main thing I don't want to see change is the current "jargon" command. > I'm used to being able to type "jargon foo" and get to the definition of > foo. I don't really care if it continues to use info, or some other viewer, > just so

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Joey Hess
Edward Betts wrote: > ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single > 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little > while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the > html but each entry is a seperate file.

Intent filed on: Edison

1999-05-26 Thread Giuliano Procida
Chris Okasaki says: "I am pleased to make the first public release of Edison, a library of data structures for Haskell. See http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~cdo/edison/ for details." It has a highly free licence. Giuliano Procida. pgpWWtkE9gdj7.pgp Description: PGP signature

levee update

1999-05-26 Thread Dan Gohman
Hello, I noticed interest in levee, the tiny vi clone. I have a somewhat tamed version available at http://rn082110.mrs.umn.edu/levee-update.tar.gz It is based on Levee v3.C. Major changes include cleaning up many error messages, replacing the old function declaration style, and some bug fixes.

glibc 2.1 and apache

1999-05-26 Thread Alexander Koch
Hello. Short question: Does anyone of you have experienced apache forking children that do not get killed again after a period of time? We have 70+ processes on "_" (/server-status) and this is unusual, to say the least. It happened after an update to the latest glibc in potato where it was glibc

Re: re-orphaning ALSA

1999-05-26 Thread David Huggins-Daines
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 12:03:44PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > I am orphaning the ALSA package, since I don't have the time to properly > maintain a package of that complexity. I did this before and somebody I'll take it if nobody else already has. (I have sound cards at work that don't seem

Re: FROM envelope rewite (Was: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender)

1999-05-26 Thread Claudio S. Suarez Sanchez
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:10:04AM +0200, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen wrote: > > It seems that there is a rewriting in the headers from > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > to > Return-Path: No. It isn't a rewriting. The mail came from debian-devel and was bounced back to debian-devel. > I sus

Creating a dynamic group `jazip' (or not)?

1999-05-26 Thread Peter S Galbraith
My jazip package is almost ready to be uploaded (jazip is an X tool to easily mount and unmount Iomega Zip and/or Jaz drives). It is suid-root and gives all users the ability to mount and umount zip and jaz devices. I'm contemplating creating a group jazip as a means to let sysadmins control user

Re: ITP: libi18n-charset-perl

1999-05-26 Thread Ardo van Rangelrooij
Sure, no problem. It'll have to wait until the weekend though. Thanks, Ardo "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I just uploaded libunicode-map8-perl a couple of days ago. Also my > wdg-html-validator uses a private copy of I18N::Charset because the > authors said they had modified

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 26 May, 1999, Dave Swegen wrote: > Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package use? None, I forgot about that one, it uses its own format. So that is ANOTHER version of jargon, I presume it is still 4.0.0 and not yet updated to 4.1.2 -- I consume, therefore I am

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Darren O. Benham
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 03:43:11PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > Eric S. Raymond has released version 4.1.2 of the jargon file, but it is not > released in info format. The text version is broken, it does not work > correctly with Volks-hypertext browser and the spacing is messed up. > > ESR's perf

Wanting to play with the big boys

1999-05-26 Thread Patrik Magnusson
Well, I just finished my first real program. A random dot stereogram generator. It takes a function, e.g. sin(xy) and makes an rds of that surface as seen from ...hmmm... below I think. For some previews http://pedgr634.sn.umu.se So I want to apply to be a maintainer. As I understand it, it is pr

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Dave Swegen
Just curious really, but which format does the dict-jargon package use? Cheers Dave On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 15:43 +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > Debian has at the moment the packages: > > jargon 4.0.0-3 maintained by Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > jargon-text 4.0.0-3 maintained by

Re: How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 03:43:11PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > ESR's perfered format is html. The jargon file is now avaliable as a single > 2Mb html file jargon.html, which works quite well, if it does take a little > while to load into lynx. The other option is a .tar.gz file containing all the

Intent to package Catalog

1999-05-26 Thread Christophe Le Bars
Catalog is a perl program that allows to create, maintain and display Yahoo! like directories. The user interface is 100% HTML. It requires a MySQL database to run. -- Christophe Le Bars - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10001101010111001010110001101010111001010100011010101110010

How to handle the jargon file?

1999-05-26 Thread Edward Betts
Debian has at the moment the packages: jargon 4.0.0-3 maintained by Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jargon-text 4.0.0-3 maintained by Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (me) The first is in info format, the second in an odd hypertext language with a viewer called Volks-hypertext browser (

Re: ITP: fakedate

1999-05-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Tue, 25 May 1999, you wrote: >Russel Coker wrote: > >> I intend to release a package of a little library I'm working on >> called "fakedate". This will wrap the time() system call and make >> applications think that they are running on a different date. > >You might also be interested in these t

Re: SGML packages in debian (also ITP XML::*)

1999-05-26 Thread Adam Di Carlo
Stevie Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was digging back through the mailing list, and found this message > from around the first of April... the list of packages below caught > my eye... [...] > > OpenXML (should be free) > > XML4j (not sure if utterly free, but close) > > Cacoon

Re: glibc 2.1 machine for debian developers?

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:42:35PM +0300, Amos Shapira wrote: > Not daring to upgrade my machines to glibc 2.1 yet for lack of > stability, I was hoping I'll be able to upgrade my package on > master.debian.org but now see that it is also based on glibc 2.0. > > Is there any debian glibc 2.1 machi

Re: Source-depends?

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 06:40:09PM +0300, Fabrizio Polacco wrote: > > Of course, these are all very nice ideas... but we currently don't > > have any PLACE to put the list (where it'll get used by dpkg* tools), > > whether it is manually or automatically generated! > > > > IIRC Ben Collins had mad

Re: glibc 2.1 machine for debian developers?

1999-05-26 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:42:35PM +0300, Amos Shapira wrote: > Is there any debian glibc 2.1 machine (actually a "potato" machine) > available for Debian developers to compile their packages on? pandora.debian.org -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%%

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Adam Rogoyski
Would it be feasible to have a /bin directory on the base cd and in there store some binaries of vi and some other basic utilities that could be used along with the rescue/install disk? Anyone who is installing will have access to the media in some form. Anyone just using it as a rescue disk

Re: ITP: fakedate

1999-05-26 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 26 May 1999, you wrote: >on linux-kernel there was once a posting for an app, that could trap any >system call and make the kernel return different results. >think like strace, but allows to reprogram system calls. > >i'm sorry, i don't know where the program was, >but maybe you like to sea

glibc 2.1 machine for debian developers?

1999-05-26 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello, Not daring to upgrade my machines to glibc 2.1 yet for lack of stability, I was hoping I'll be able to upgrade my package on master.debian.org but now see that it is also based on glibc 2.0. Is there any debian glibc 2.1 machine (actually a "potato" machine) available for Debian developers

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 26 May 1999 13:38:11 +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: >no, but vi as been standard unix editor since times immemorial, and people >expect to find it on any unix system. Here's one person who doesn't. Blows your theory, doesn't it? - --

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 26 May 1999 12:49:03 +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: >after the emacs vs. vi flamewar, you want to start a unix still editor (vi or >emacs) vs. microsoft still key binding thread ? Sven... Joe is UNIX. WordStar is not Microsoft. Get your fac

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 26 May 1999 12:44:26 +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: >Every Unix system is distributed with a working vi, and most people know how As has been pointed out, several times, FreeBSD does not. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your pr

Re: Source-depends?

1999-05-26 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:04:47PM +0200, EXT Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 01:46:41PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > > So it would be nice to have a some kind of wrapper library that patches the > > open and such function from glibc, and log the accessed files (the one that > > a

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 04:00:00PM +0200, EXT Martin Kahlert wrote: > Quoting Sven LUTHER ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Will try at home, if it works fine, i could package it. > > Do you have any idea about the license of this stuff ? > > there seem to be no mention of it in the sources. > Sorry, no. >

ITP: terraform

1999-05-26 Thread shaleh
As I recall someone(s) posted an intent and nothing came from this. I am able to compile and use this app, so it will now be packaged. This will likely be a few weeks away as various things are comig up and I need to get gtkmm happy again first (GNOME deps, eee).

Re: Xfree 3.3.3.1 for slink anywhere?

1999-05-26 Thread Amos Shapira
From: Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Xfree 3.3.3.1 for slink anywhere? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:23:26 +0200 > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:43:40PM +0100, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > I've spent quite a while trying to find out but the only reference I could > > see doesn't have any pack

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:13:46AM -0500, David Starner wrote: > Sven LUTHER wrote: > > Every Unix system is distributed with a working vi, and most people know > > how to > > use vi. So finding a non standard editor on the base system is not so nice, > > and > > can cause lots of confusions. and

Re: Strange problems when trying to compile kernel 2.2.7

1999-05-26 Thread Stefan Baums
I get a similar problem, but only when compiling pcmcia-source for that kernel package: gcc -MD -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Winline -pipe -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I. ./include -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.7/include -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.7 -c i82365.c In file included from ../include/pcm

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread David Starner
Sven LUTHER wrote: > Every Unix system is distributed with a working vi, and most people know how > to > use vi. So finding a non standard editor on the base system is not so nice, > and > can cause lots of confusions. and ae is a lot confusing, and don't behave Read the instructions on the top

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Martin Kahlert
Quoting Sven LUTHER ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Will try at home, if it works fine, i could package it. > Do you have any idea about the license of this stuff ? > there seem to be no mention of it in the sources. Sorry, no. You will have to ask the author for it. I looked into the sources a bit, and i t

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yes, this is one of the most infuriating thing with a base debian system, no >true vi. On the rescue disk, there's no true vi, but elvis-tiny is in the base system and it's no vim but it still is a complete vi (and only 64K)

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Richard Kaszeta
Sven LUTHER writes ("Re: An 'ae' testimony"): >On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:27:39PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: >> > >> > Sure this happened to me a long time ago, didn't try ae since because of it >> > though. >> >> One question: how can you blame ae for not working, when you rely on >> outdated inf

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 08:20:51AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:21:02PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:49:11PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 08:11:42AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:51:48AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > As for the editor that should go on the boot floppies? I'll stay out of > > > that discussion, except: Should anyone com

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 26 May 1999, Sven LUTHER wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:21:02PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:49:11PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > some version of vi is essential on a rescue disk, regardless of wh

Suggestions for new packages

1999-05-26 Thread Yann Dirson
Hi all, Here are some DFSG-free packages I found during the last weeks, which I feel would be great to have in Debian. Rush for them ! ;) * HFM - Hamster Font Manager (GPL) http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/ifi/se/service/hamster/index_e.html HFM is a font manager for Unix systems. With

Strange problems when trying to compile kernel 2.2.7

1999-05-26 Thread Andreas Tille
Hello, I installed kernel-source-2.2.7 from potato and tried to compile. I've got several No such file or directory errors. The `make zImage 2>` output is appended. Is the package broken??? Kind regards Andreas. [X] Against war. init/main.c: In function `start_kernel': init/ma

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 26 May 1999, Sven LUTHER wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:51:48AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > As for the editor that should go on the boot floppies? I'll stay out of > > that discussion, except: Should anyone come up with an editor > > that emulates the old DOS "edit" program, and ta

Re: Intent to package: src2tex

1999-05-26 Thread Jules Bean
Takao KAWAMURA wrote: > Licence: > > Permission to use, copy, and modify this software and its > documentation is granted under no conditions. > > I will upload it to master in a few days. "..is granted under no conditions" reads like 'is not granted'. I.e., there are no conditions under which

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:27:51PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 01:38:11PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > no, but vi as been standard unix editor since times immemorial, and people > > expect to find it on any unix system. > > The boot disk is not a system at all - it is crip

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:27:39PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > > Sure this happened to me a long time ago, didn't try ae since because of it > > though. > > One question: how can you blame ae for not working, when you rely on > outdated information about it?! (today we'd call that plain FUD :

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 02:19:48PM +0200, Martin Kahlert wrote: > Quoting Sven LUTHER ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > I downloaded and tried it. > > > > it compiled fine on my solaris box here at work, but it didn't work so fine > > (it > > was 110k before i striped it, 67k after. using only libc) > >

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 01:31:15PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > remove this help stuff, and have just some sort of help binding that will > bring > it up. That would be nicer, and let more space for editign. That's okay too, as long as it is clearly written (e.g. like in joe, "Ctrl-K H for help").

Re: Fwd: FHS pre-2.1 draft #1 on web site

1999-05-26 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 09:13:03AM +0100, Giuliano Procida wrote: > > The major changes are as follows: > > > > /var/state is back at /var/lib, but using the /var/state > [snip] > > /var/mail is back at /var/spool/mail. > [snip] > > ... and the people took to the streets and there was gre

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 01:38:11PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > no, but vi as been standard unix editor since times immemorial, and people > expect to find it on any unix system. The boot disk is not a system at all - it is crippled in every way. And we don't have a vi that would fit in 25KB. --

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Martin Kahlert
Quoting Sven LUTHER ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I downloaded and tried it. > > it compiled fine on my solaris box here at work, but it didn't work so fine > (it > was 110k before i striped it, 67k after. using only libc) > > i was able to open a new file, enter insert mode with i, type hello (it froo

Intent to package: src2tex

1999-05-26 Thread Takao KAWAMURA
Hi, I have packaged src2tex, a converter from source program files to TeX format files. The author of src2tex introduce it in the release note as follows: Roughly speaking, src2tex [resp. src2latex] is a sort of text converter from BASIC, C, C++, OBJECTIVE-C, COBOL, FORTRAN, HTML, JAVA, LISP, MA

Re: Source-depends?

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 01:46:41PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: > > > So, what's the problem? We don't autodetect all of binary dependencies > > > either. Maintainers generally know what they need to build their > > > packages; > > > it should be trivial for them to list the dependencies explicitly

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 12:15:38PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Hamish> What if we make the help text mode-sensitive? eg > > Do that, and still have the editor small enough (isn't ae like > 25Kb or something?), and t

Re: Source-depends?

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 02:42:51AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 03:07:19AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > > Some of these can be detected automatically (#5 could be discovered with a > > > grep on debian/rules, for example), but some can't. > > > > So, what's the p

Intent to package: trr19

1999-05-26 Thread Takao KAWAMURA
Hi, I have packaged trr19, a GPL'd type training program for GNU Emacs. Though the manual of trr19 is written in Japanese, I think non-Japanese-speaking-people can play with it because it talk to you in English by default. More info about trr19 can be found at http://tje12.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~y

Re: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration

1999-05-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [1 ] > From: Massimo Dal Zotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: PROPOSAL: automatic installation and configuration > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:01:57 +0200 (MEST) > > > Hi, > > > > I have done a few experiments about automatic configuration of packages >

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:54:57PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 09:47:33AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > that extra 30k (if it is actually available on the rescue disk) would be > > better used either as part of the space needed by elvis-tiny (**) or by > > I still don't

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:05:27PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Joseph Carter wrote: > > Okay, let me offer this a bit here... Do the rescue floppies currently > > use libncurses at all? I think they don't. Okay, now then: > > Slang does have minimal ncurses support, you can link ncurses apps agai

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:21:02PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:49:11PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > some version of vi is essential on a rescue disk, regardless of what some > > > windows using loudmouth happens to th

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:51:48AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > As for the editor that should go on the boot floppies? I'll stay out of > that discussion, except: Should anyone come up with an editor > that emulates the old DOS "edit" program, and takes the same order of > space on the boot floppy

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 11:33:08AM +0200, Martin Kahlert wrote: > Quoting Jules Bean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > OK. We didn't really come to a consensus, be here's my what, IMO, best > > summarises our opinions: > > > > 1) If we don't have vi on the disks, we shouldn't pretend to. So, the > > v

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 08:53:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:49:11PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > some version of vi is essential on a rescue disk, regardless of what some > > windows using loudmouth happens to think (and no, i'm not referring to > > you here josep

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:51:03PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 21 May 1999 22:38:14 -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > >I think ee is a good choice, I'm not sure it's the right choice, I'm > >not sure there is a right choice. If we put a vi on, w

Re: mass-installing Debian

1999-05-26 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Brandon Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 25 May 1999, Michel Kaempf wrote: > > > On Mon, May 24, 1999, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be nice if dpkg would tell you what exactly has changed > > > between the packages config file and what the difference to your > > > confi

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:33:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 22 May 1999 09:02:24 +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > >*i* know it's not really vi. but my fingers don't. hail eris! > > Well, according to that logic joe should be on t

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:09:02PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 21 May 1999 14:57:26 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > > >Maybe joe or something? The standard joe package is way too big and > >someone would almost certainly have to come up wi

Re: ITP: fakedate

1999-05-26 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
on linux-kernel there was once a posting for an app, that could trap any system call and make the kernel return different results. think like strace, but allows to reprogram system calls. i'm sorry, i don't know where the program was, but maybe you like to search and look at this approach. andrea

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:47:59AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: > I don't want to start a flame-war, so be gentle.. > > I was just mindlessly (in a tongue-in-cheek way) evangalising Debian on > a mailing list I'm on, and I got a private response from a SuSE user. > He had installed Debian from a CD (

Re: Time to rewrite dpkg

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:03:33PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > But there seem to be enough C++ deevelopers around here, and more and more C++ is mostly popular because microsoft is using it, ... > will follow (if you haven't noticed, on universities they teach Scheme, Java > , Perl and C+

Re: Xfree 3.3.3.1 for slink anywhere?

1999-05-26 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:43:40PM +0100, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > I've spent quite a while trying to find out but the only reference I could > see doesn't have any packages there anymore (www.debian.org/~vincent IIRC). > > NB: I know that generally you can just grab the Xserver you want. Just gr

Re: Adoption of the FHS

1999-05-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 12:04:53AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > > Yes you may :) GNU info has been set to read its files from that directory > > since long time ago, IIRC before hamm. > > No, it's not in policy yet. Sorry, I meant to say "yes you can". But it should become policy soon, so tha

re-orphaning ALSA

1999-05-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I am orphaning the ALSA package, since I don't have the time to properly maintain a package of that complexity. I did this before and somebody volunteered, but apparently nothing has happened since and I forgot who it was. There are currently a couple of open bugs, none of which are really diffic

intent to package

1999-05-26 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I intend to package Gnome Toaster. Here is the description as taken from freshmeat: Gnometoaster is intended to be a full CD creation suite for X11. Although it is in the very early stages of development, it can already be used to copy data, audio, and hybrid cds on the fly or with prec

Re: An 'ae' testimony (suggestion)

1999-05-26 Thread Martin Kahlert
Quoting Jules Bean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > OK. We didn't really come to a consensus, be here's my what, IMO, best > summarises our opinions: > > 1) If we don't have vi on the disks, we shouldn't pretend to. So, the > vi-compatibility mode goes. (Has gone.) > > 2) We choose between 'ae' and 'ee'

Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 12:47:33AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > Having said that, and thought about the packages I maintain, 'jargon' > clearly fits in the above category, and will be withdrawn until there is > an appropriate archive. nah, don't do that. Wait for wichert's proposal when the lo

why I packaged the GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 26 May, 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Table of Contents > > . > > * About Free Software > > * About the GNU project > > * Licensing Free Software > > * Laws > > * Terminology and Definitions > > * GIFs > > * Motivation > > * Speeches

Re: ITP: fakedate

1999-05-26 Thread Bart Schuller
On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 06:43:12PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 02:32:16PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: > >[...regarding time-travel library...] > > > >Or a clever wrapper for shareware style trial packages for linux > >that stop working after a certian time. I do

Re: ITP: hns - Hyper Nikki System.

1999-05-26 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 12:06:40PM +0900, Takuro KITAME wrote: > Package: hns2 > Section: web > Architecture: all > Depends: perl, mail-transport-agent > Recommends: apache, nkf Should not at least apache be a Suggests instead of Recommends? I don't have to use apache to use a CGI. In fact, I ca

Re: An 'ae' testimony (SUMMARY)

1999-05-26 Thread Jules Bean
Jules Bean wrote: > > I don't want to start a flame-war, so be gentle.. Oh well. I did, anyhow. > > I was just mindlessly (in a tongue-in-cheek way) evangalising Debian on > a mailing list I'm on, and I got a private response from a SuSE user. > He had installed Debian from a CD (he didn't say

Re: Fwd: FHS pre-2.1 draft #1 on web site

1999-05-26 Thread Giuliano Procida
On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 12:01:41AM -0700, Joel Klecker wrote: > The major changes are as follows: > > /var/state is back at /var/lib, but using the /var/state [snip] > /var/mail is back at /var/spool/mail. [snip] ... and the people took to the streets and there was great rejoicing! Giuli

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Joel Klecker
At 08:35 +0100 1999-05-25, Enrique Zanardi wrote: No it won't, as the slang library on the rescue floppy is a stripped-down version that includes only the symbols that are actually used. (Have a look at generate-library.sh on the boot-floppies sources. It's a really smart hack). A hack that no long

Fwd: FHS pre-2.1 draft #1 on web site

1999-05-26 Thread Joel Klecker
--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:35:07 -0700 From: Daniel Quinlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FHS pre-2.1 draft #1 on web site FYI - I just made a pre-release of FHS 2.1 on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. If you have any comments, please direct them to

RE: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, 25 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>OK, in that case we'll have to make a break between the boot _floppies_ >>and the floppy images used on the CDs. El Torito _only_ supports 720K, >>1440K and 2880K. And I'm not sure about the last one... > >I'm pretty sure that it will also support a h

Re: SGML packages in debian (also ITP XML::*)

1999-05-26 Thread Stevie Strickland
I was digging back through the mailing list, and found this message from around the first of April... the list of packages below caught my eye... > Still to be packged: > > XML::Parser (perl expat frontend), other perl XML stuff I've done XML::Parser already, and am now working on the others..

Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 25-May-99, 04:35 (CDT), Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 23 May, 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > > I have the same objection to this I had to the anarchist thing: You're > > trying to package their website. I don't think we should be doing that. > > I changed the description so

Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 25-May-99, 01:47 (CDT), Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 24 May, 1999, Steve Greenland wrote: > > There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR > > utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy, > > others another. If you're going to

Re: Intent to package GNU Philosophy web pages

1999-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-May-99, 22:06 (CDT), Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are other reasons that free software is good (e.g. the ESR > > utilitarian arguments). Some Debianers might agree with one philosophy, > > others another. > > > um.. Debian GNU/Linux > ^^^ > I'd say that's reason eno

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