Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO.

1998-06-04 Thread Igor Grobman
Some time around 03 Jun 1998 23:25:12 +0200, Jens Ritter wrote: > > Hallo all, > > as a lot of us developers have to deal with copyright problems, I would > like to start this (hopefully) littly project. > > I would like to write a COPYRIGHT HOWTO, which might be send to > a

intent to package vmailer

1998-06-04 Thread LaMont Jones
I intend to package VMailer (Wietse Venema's mail transport agent, see http://www.porcupine.org/vmailer). In keeping with Wietse's desires, the package will not be available until he releases it... LaMont Jones -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: advantage of new kernel 2.0.34

1998-06-04 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Luis Francisco Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I guess the kernel-maintainer is the only one that can evaluate if >there are any security improvements that should make it into hamm. Otherwise, >let's not put new code into the freeze. Debian 2.1 should not take l

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-04 Thread Jens Ritter
Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A good way to start would be to seperate the unpacking and > installation from the configuration. > > dpkg should start one thread to extract a package, when a package is > done a second threat is signaled and the next is extracted. > > The second thread c

Re: comp usa rebates?

1998-06-04 Thread Ivan Trogranci
I bought a lot of things from Comp USA on rebate and they didn't send me any of them (rebates) until I called them. They told me "their rebate department had some problems." Anyway that means they lost most of the rebates, or at least they lost the ones I sent. So you gotta call them and tell the

Re: advantage of new kernel 2.0.34

1998-06-04 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez
G John Lapeyre wrote: > They have included the FAT32 support. Many users need to mount > their win95 partition. Many can't even install without support, as they > need to install from a FAT32 partition. I had this problem installing on a > machine a few months ago. You had to patch 2.0.33 t

Re: comp usa rebates?

1998-06-04 Thread Alex Withers
well one day I openned up my mailbox and found a nice surprise, though it took me awhile to realize that this was a rebate I sent off about 8 months ago. I think theres a 1-800 number on the rebate form somewhere...but you already sent that off :) Alex Withers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Getting Hamm out

1998-06-04 Thread Jens Ritter
Stephen Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While perusing around reading e-mail and jumping in on ocasional discussions > I noticed some mention of the possibility of cutting down on some of the less > importnat discussions an dhelping get hamm out... > > I remember there was a list a while

advantage of new kernel 2.0.34

1998-06-04 Thread G John Lapeyre
They have included the FAT32 support. Many users need to mount their win95 partition. Many can't even install without support, as they need to install from a FAT32 partition. I had this problem installing on a machine a few months ago. You had to patch 2.0.33 to get it. John J

Re: comp usa rebates?

1998-06-04 Thread Kenneth . Scharf
I will save the names and addresses of all who reply for possible preparation of a legal response (maybe Janet Reno's office). "Russ Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/04/98 02:24:50 PM To: Kenneth Scharf/PD/CoulterUS, debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org cc: Sub

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously G John Lapeyre wrote: > It's also not uncommon to see config files which just contain perl > code. (Majordomo comes to mind) . Probably python programs do this too. But nobody said all conffiles should be managed by linuxconfig (or any configuration system for that matter). A lo

Re: comp usa rebates?

1998-06-04 Thread Russ Cook
I too bought 64 MB of ram from Comp-USA, and also am still waiting for a rebate. Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; de

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread G John Lapeyre
On 4 Jun 1998, Andreas Degert wrote: > If you look at config files like .emacs or /etc/profile where it's > apparent that they use a structured language, it's much more clear > that a configuration program can't grok each possible config file the > user can write with an editor. It's also

comp usa rebates?

1998-06-04 Thread Kenneth . Scharf
>I'm trying to create tar files less than 100Mb to fit on zip disks (by the >way, my rebate arrived last week, only a year and a half & a class action suit >late). The above comment reminds me. Has anyone besides me bought some memory from comp-usa within the last 6 months and is STILL waiti

1.3 installation reboots on a thinkpad.

1998-06-04 Thread Dale Scheetz
I know it has been a long time since we have dealt with these problems. It is for this reason that I can't remember what the solution was. I have a client trying to install 1.3 and the kernel gets almost completely through the initialization stages before rebooting. Is the tecra kernel the fix for

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals

1998-06-04 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rev. Joseph Carter) wrote on 03.06.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 12:59:50PM -0500, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > > No, because democracy is inefficient in our case. > >=20 > > I would go a step further and say democracy is always inefficient, in > > fact

Re: IRC Forum

1998-06-04 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Nils Lohner wrote: > An open IRC Forum has been planned to present an opportunity to discuss > unification of software packaging/management and installation systems. Does anyone have logs for this? Since it was at 05:00 local time for me I couldn't attend. Wichert. -- ==

Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO. -Reply

1998-06-04 Thread Ted Harding
On 04-Jun-98 Gregory Dickinson wrote: > The idea of having a copyright lawyer look it over once it is written sound > excellent. I work for a large law firm that has a copyright and IP practice > group, > an I am sure that (since I work in the OS dept. and they all LOVE me :-]) > that I > could ta

Re: Packages Removed from Hamm (!)

1998-06-04 Thread Brian White
Hmmm... You're a little behind the times here. > > hwtools 21288 hwtools: irqtune should be in /usr/sbin, or > > rc.boot script fixed [34] (Siggy Brentrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > Uhh, remove that package, and dozens of my machines go down or perform > very slowly. Please don't.

Port conflict ...bug?

1998-06-04 Thread Stephen Carpenter
I was just poking around a bit and realized that xfstt (my package) uses as a default port 7100 to listen for incomming connections I noticed that this is also the default for xfs! I would supose that it is not very common to run both xfs and xfstt on the same machine (esp since xfstt currently o

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-04 Thread Raul Miller
Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dpkg should start one thread to extract a package, when a package is > done a second threat is signaled and the next is extracted. > > The second thread configures the package. If any question is to be > asked, the controll is given to a third threat and the

Getting Hamm out

1998-06-04 Thread Stephen Carpenter
While perusing around reading e-mail and jumping in on ocasional discussions I noticed some mention of the possibility of cutting down on some of the less importnat discussions an dhelping get hamm out... I remember there was a list a while back of "Critical Bugs" that were holding up hamm... wha

Re: Debian and LSB

1998-06-04 Thread Scott Ellis
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just read on LWN the short story about Bruce's > Linux Standard Base. Both Caldera and Redhat have a guy in > it. Debian isn't even mentioned. Shouldn't we have somebody in > the commitee? What do you think about? We are aware of the effort and

Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO. -Reply -Reply

1998-06-04 Thread Gregory Dickinson
Er...make that IS dept (they have VERY different meanings :-]) >>> Gregory Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/04/98 08:16am >>> The idea of having a copyright lawyer look it over once it is written sound excellent. I work for a large law firm that has a copyright and IP practice group, an I am s

Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO. -Reply

1998-06-04 Thread Gregory Dickinson
The idea of having a copyright lawyer look it over once it is written sound excellent. I work for a large law firm that has a copyright and IP practice group, an I am sure that (since I work in the OS dept. and they all LOVE me :-]) that I could talk one of the lawyers in that group into loking o

dpkg stops after 20 errors (was Re: library missing in 2.0.6)

1998-06-04 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Nils Rennebarth wrote: > I will be out of town from Friday evening to Sunday. I'll hereby announce > the intention to make a non-maintainer upload of qftp, recompiled with > libstd++2.8 and of dpkg where nothing is changed except the paths in

intent to package irquery

1998-06-04 Thread Robert Edmonds
i intend to package irquery on www.ddns.org which is a client for their dynamic dns service. err they already had an rpm :) -- Robert S. Edmonds - Debian developerhttp://www.debian.org Freshmeat staff member http://fresh

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-04 Thread Brederlow
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [...] > > Andreas> I'd like to integrate more of the bookkeeping tasks into the > > Andreas> debian system, like being able to display a list of > > Andreas> warnings/errors after installation is finishe

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-04 Thread Brederlow
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Drake> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 09:48:46PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > >> > > >> What is the benefit of keeping packages in an unconfigured > > >> state? > > > > Drake>It's a reminder

Re: On adding size info to Packages files [very long]

1998-06-04 Thread Brederlow
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >>"Brederlow" == Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Brederlow> I mean, that when a package is installed, that the > Brederlow> recorded du tree (which is needed to calculate the size > Brederlow> increase/decrease for updates) could

Re: kernel v2.0.34 has been released

1998-06-04 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 10:18:32AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > kernel v2.0.34 has appeared at the usual FTP sites. (Sure you knew that, > didn't you?). Is it too late in the "frozen" stage to include it in hamm? It fixes a lot of problems and it had been given a hard testing time on linux-kerne

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is not the point; of course just the parsing, the syntactical > portion, is rather easy. Else, how should a program like samba parse > it's config files? Even if it's a complex embedded language, by > definition its syntax can be parsed, and if it's

Debian and LSB

1998-06-04 Thread fog
Hi fellows, I just read on LWN the short story about Bruce's Linux Standard Base. Both Caldera and Redhat have a guy in it. Debian isn't even mentioned. Shouldn't we have somebody in the commitee? What do you think about? Federico -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: library missing in 2.0.6 (was Re: INSTALLATION REPORT)

1998-06-04 Thread Nils Rennebarth
On Thu, Jun 04, 1998 at 09:55:53AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > I would prefer someone doing a NMU of qftp recompiled with libstdc. It's > not nice to have both c++ libs in the base system. That's what I prefer too. > > Even better include a fixed version of th

kernel v2.0.34 has been released

1998-06-04 Thread Enrique Zanardi
kernel v2.0.34 has appeared at the usual FTP sites. (Sure you knew that, didn't you?). Is it too late in the "frozen" stage to include it in hamm? -- Enrique Zanardi[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsu

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread Andreas Degert
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > please don't answer too quickly; if you think about it a second > > (in the context of the thread) you will realize that I wrote about > > syntactically and semantically correct config files that are too > > co

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"David" == David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And if we did collectively wish to be >> self destructive, who has the right to stop us? David> Perhaps the users we are supposedly trying to serve. Shades of old arguments. For the record, I am not really doing this to ser

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-04 Thread David Engel
There were many fine messages in today's discussion so I'll try to be brief. If you don't want to read the whole, at least please read the end. On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 10:18:03PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > And I think if we need such leadership, we may as well pack > our bags and go

Re: New Project: COPYRIGHT HOWTO.

1998-06-04 Thread sjc
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 11:25:12PM +0200, Jens Ritter wrote: > > Hallo all, > > as a lot of us developers have to deal with copyright problems, I would > like to start this (hopefully) littly project. This sounds like an interesting idea. > I would like to write a COPYRIGHT HOWTO, which migh

Re: Intent to package inorwegian, norwegian words for ispell. (and a bit about wnorwegian)

1998-06-04 Thread Gregory S. Stark
Stig Sandbeck Mathisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > all that's left is the copyright document > As for the norwegian wordlist "wnorwegian", I've been unable to produce > a copyright, seems that this just evolved on the net. In at least some countries simple lists of words are not copyrightab

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > please don't answer too quickly; if you think about it a second > (in the context of the thread) you will realize that I wrote about > syntactically and semantically correct config files that are too > complex for the parser. That shouldn't matter for co

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jun 03, 1998 at 02:31:19PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > b) we neeed to release more often, and on schedule > (I like guys proposal of an updated stable pool that can be > tested continuuls, frozen, and released fast -- since there are > never any release critical bugs i

Re: Debian Re-organization proposals (was: Re: so what?)

1998-06-04 Thread Bill Mitchell
On 3 Jun 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > b) we neeed to release more often, and on schedule > (I like guys proposal of an updated stable pool that can be > tested continuuls, frozen, and released fast -- since there are > never any release critical bugs in the stable pool, the c

Re: mirror-2.9 released, and hopefully DFSG compliant

1998-06-04 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Bob> Perhaps you could persuade the author to add support for restarts Bob> on partially downloaded files, and any other desirable patches that Bob> are not included in 2.9. I haven't had time to check the documentation. This might be implemented in 2.9. I'd be grateful if you could te

Re: Consesus on Linuxconf?

1998-06-04 Thread Andreas Degert
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, i meant you can't prevent the parser to error out on some edited > > config files, not that it will happen with every edited config file. > > config files which are broken should be treated as error condit

Re: Non-interactive install proposal

1998-06-04 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Degert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you take a static list of questions for a package, you have to > answer _all_ questions, even if in the postinst many questions are > conditionally asked depending on the answers to other questions or the > state of the system No. You have to allow s