On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 10:52:48PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
> > But this is aimed at dialup users! You don't want a send-only MTA, as dialup
> > users presumably want to store their mail locally.
>
> Their mail isn't gonna get delivered by smtp
No? I know several dialup ISPs that do prov
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 06:52:47PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > > root: The person who gets root's mail (also daemons', etc).
> > > This userid (on the mailhub) get all mail sent to
> > > local adressees with userids less than 10. In other
> > > words, she gets mai
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:24:30PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote:
> > > You DON'T need a news server. slrn is a good thing here!
> >
> > Any newsreader, for that matter -- rtin, for example.
>
> No, that's useless on dialup links, which I understand is a large part of
> the market Jim wants to aim for
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:22:31PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote:
> > have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and
> > it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a
> > send-only MTA.
>
> But this is aimed at dialup users! You don't want a send-only MTA,
> > root: The person who gets root's mail (also daemons', etc).
> > This userid (on the mailhub) get all mail sent to
> > local adressees with userids less than 10. In other
> > words, she gets mail the system mails to root, daemon,
> > etc.
Rev
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 03:22:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> This might work for some people -- people with constant net connections
> or who don't mind waiting for demand-dialed ppp every time they want
> to send a message.
Yeah, the lack of a queue bothered me, but at the same time most MUA's
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:43:22AM -0700, Jim Pick wrote:
> > have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and
> > it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a
> > send-only MTA.
>
> I haven't looked at it. It's only 15k! That would be a really good
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:36:28AM -0700, John Labovitz wrote:
> > The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so
> > to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless
> > something better comes along). MTA choices are easy, because there is
> > very little us
Dale Scheetz wrote:...
>There doesn't seem to be a "reliable" method for determining whether or
>not you are in an xterm. Any method so far suggested has "natural"
>configuration situations that break the method.
When you start an xterm, TERM is set to xterm; why not test for that?
The troub
'From Bill Leach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'
Manoj;
The 'Social Contract' and the 'DFSG' are indeed goal statements. However,
they are goal statements of a very imprecise nature. They are not 'working
documents' they are rather more like 'lofty ideals'. Ideals that don't
necessarily mean precisely t
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:37:28AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you
> > consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller,
> > simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is
> > q
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 10:11:48AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you
> > consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller,
> > simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is
> > qmai
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 09:12:41AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Yeah, that's right, an editor that opens /dev/mem.
>
> If you do an objdump (-Slx) on the binary, you'll see that it's trying
> to treat the screen as a region of memory.
This program is starting to scare me. It disables console sw
Bob Hilliard writes:
> With my ZOOM modem, ATX4 reports all responses, but the manual
> isn't clear if it means DCE (modem-modem) speed or DTE
> (computer-modem) speed.
With my no-name modem ATX4 gives only DTE in the 'CONNECT' string.
> I blieve DTE is the most commonly reported value. ATW0 rep
Marcelo E. Magallon writes:
> I tried it, but I cann't get it to work.
Works for me.
> I added -r /var/run/ppp.speed to the chat line in
> /etc/ppp/peers/provider...
Should be ok.
> and "REPORT CONNECT"
Without the quotes, I assume.
> as the first line on /etc/chatscripts/provider (I didn't f
On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 03:13:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Every program that fetches user-modifiable files to control its behavior
> (on a Debian system and according to the FHS, these should all be in /etc
> or as dotfiles/dirs in $HOME) should have a kind an associated interface
> file
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the first I have heard of our Policy documents being
> goals, and I disagree.
Policy, by its very nature, lies somewhere between goals and procedures.
While the DFSG and Social contract are very good, they don't say a lot
about the tech
Hi,
>>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raul> The point is: we've got a wide variety of goals; debian-policy
Raul> is a fleshed-out statement of those goals.
I think you are taking policy where it should not go. The
Social contract, the DFSG, and the ilk are a statement o
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:12:35AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Marcelo E. Magallon writes:
> > > As you can see chat breaks the CONNECT line. Is there a way to tell
> > > the connection speed?
> >
> > 'ATW2' will make the modem (or at
On Sun, May 03, 1998 at 01:37:28AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> things (like different alias files per domain). exim and smail are both
> easy to set up with the provided configuration programs though
> (which seem pretty much identical in my limited experience).
eximconfig was originally based
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 11:36:28AM -0700, John Labovitz wrote:
> have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and
> it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a
> send-only MTA.
But this is aimed at dialup users! You don't want a send-only MTA, as di
John Labovitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have you looked at ssmtp? i just took a quick look at the source, and
> it seems that it's *extremely* simple -- sounds like a good one for a
> send-only MTA.
The problem with ssmtp is that it doesn't have a queue. That means
if it can't deliver the mes
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
> Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ln -s '/bin/ae -f /etc/aex.rc' xae
> >
> > and, while it seemed to build the link I desired (it looks good with ls
> > -l) when I try to execute xae, bash tells me the file is not found.
> >
> > Any idea wha
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:38:24PM -0400, Brian White wrote:
> > Brian, this is a useful list, but please sort it by Maintainer or by Package
> > rather than by bug number:
>
> Several people have asked for this, but maintainers already get separate
> reports about their packages and reports by pa
John Labovitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so
> > to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless
> > something better comes along). MTA choices are easy, because there
Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so
> to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless
> something better comes along). MTA choices are easy, because there is
> very little user-visible stuff involved.
have
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ln -s '/bin/ae -f /etc/aex.rc' xae
>
> and, while it seemed to build the link I desired (it looks good with ls
> -l) when I try to execute xae, bash tells me the file is not found.
>
> Any idea what I am doing wrong?
That's only going to work if yo
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 08:12:35AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Marcelo E. Magallon writes:
> > As you can see chat breaks the CONNECT line. Is there a way to tell
> > the connection speed?
>
> 'ATW2' will make the modem (or at least, my modem) emit something like
> 'CONNECT 26400'.
mine is
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On Sat, 2 May 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am sorry about this, this should have gone to debian-user
- - Aaron
> -BEGIN PGP DECRYPTED MESSAGE-
>
> I have been looking into the possibility of setting up my system
> as a voicemail box with
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I have been looking into the possibility of setting up my system
as a voicemail box with mgetty+sendfax/vgetty. I have read many documents
on the subject, and have come across many warnings that the voice code is
very beta and only thoroughly works on a
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Raul Miller wrote:
> Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The reason I feel compelled to ask is that I will be creating two new
> > names: xvi and xae.
>
> xvi, intuitively, seems to refer to an x aware version of vi (elvis or
> vim). How about xaevi?
A bit bulky ;-)
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The reason I feel compelled to ask is that I will be creating two new
> names: xvi and xae.
xvi, intuitively, seems to refer to an x aware version of vi (elvis or
vim). How about xaevi?
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I am very close to having all of the ae problems solved, thanks to Jim
Minta for both taking over the slang package and for the fine suggestions
and patches that he has supplied for ae.
I'm down to the xterm .rc file problem, and I have an idea that I thought
I would toss out for discusion.
There
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> PS: The Linux community will not lose me! I'm planning to join Bruce'
> effort to set up a new base distribution. If Debian should decide to
> support the new base distribution, too, perhaps I could act as person
> of contact for Debian.
You shoul
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think smail or exim would do fine.
I'm in love with exim myself. :-)
The whole exim package is about 500k, which only takes 5 minutes or so
to download via modem - so I'd probably stick with that (unless
something better comes along). MTA choices
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The discussions of the last days have shown me clearly, that I can't
> implement my ideas WRT policy/QA anymore.
> Therefore, I've decided to leave the Debian project.
Sorry to see you leave.
I must admit, I've been entirely negligent in followin
Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 1 May 1998, Jim Pick wrote:
>
> > I'd like to see more people announce that they want to develop their
> > own "subset" Linux distributions based on Debian. I'd be willing to
> > collaborate on tools to make this easier.
>
>Interesting. I'm
Mark Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 11:10:39PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote:
>
> > - targetted towards desktop use only, no server apps, just a few games
> >
> > - minimal size - optimized for installation via 28.8k modem via FTP,
> >which will be the primary distrib
> xcontrib's xload also has permissions rws--x--x which is pretty bad, and
Note that whining about this on debian-devel is inappropriate - that's
what the bug tracking system is for. And, you should not that it
also isn't true, as of frozen 3.3.2-3 (yeah, it's only 3 or 4 days old
:-)
> The xme
Package: general
Version: N/A
Environment: X + mwm + xterm + various programs (cat, less for example)
This can be reconstructed by running the cat program in an xterm and
typing the backspace key, which generates ^H, which is not recognized
as a backspace. For consistency with the Linux console,
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 12:58:11PM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:
> You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you
> consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller,
> simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is
> qmail
Rev. Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need MTA. You just do. But you don't need a complex MTA. If you
> consider sendmail the standard to judge by, most everything is smaller,
> simpler, or better for personal systems. My personal choice for an MTA is
> qmail. The savings in conf
Robert Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, that's right, an editor that opens /dev/mem.
If you do an objdump (-Slx) on the binary, you'll see that it's trying
to treat the screen as a region of memory.
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Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your objection is to the use of the admittedly subjective criteria
> "if they feel it is a technically superior approach." Would the
> (slightly) more objective criteria "if they feel that strict adherence
> to the policy would jeopardize system integrity or
On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote:
> > - targetted towards desktop use only, no server apps, just a few games
> >
> > - minimal size - optimized for installation via 28.8k modem via FTP,
> >which will be the primary distribution mechanism (not CD).
>
> These don't s
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Hi folks!
The discussions of the last days have shown me clearly, that I can't
implement my ideas WRT policy/QA anymore. It looks like most of the
other developers (and most importantly, most of the other `old'
developers) don't share my views anymore.
I sti
On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 11:10:39PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote:
> - targetted towards desktop use only, no server apps, just a few games
>
> - minimal size - optimized for installation via 28.8k modem via FTP,
>which will be the primary distribution mechanism (not CD).
These don't seem consisten
Hi,
>>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raul> It's that things which people haven't invented yet concept which
Raul> has had me objecting to this concept of "policy must be
Raul> followed". If you look at policy as a set of *goals* rather
Raul> than a set of *rules* I think you'll
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I find this interesting
(I notice someone else mentioned something too...I guess say it and others
with similar ideas come out of the woodwork)
I thought of basing a Distribution on Debian but...
a VERY TINY dist...
in fact the way I am thinkin gof...it would
On 1 May 1998, Jim Pick wrote:
> I'd like to see more people announce that they want to develop their
> own "subset" Linux distributions based on Debian. I'd be willing to
> collaborate on tools to make this easier.
Interesting. I'm starting up an ISP with a Debian focus, and planning
to pro
hmm an editor that opens /dev/mem...
that _IS_ evil!
hmmm...sounds like a pointless port of some DOS "crackers" tool
in fact...I rmemeber a DOS tool like this...but instead of editing it
just displayed memory contents
(Win95 did NOT like that running in a window)
I am curious
is there any "lega
Hi all,
I read with interest Bruce's post that he wants to work on another
Linux distribution. :-)
As long as we are talking "pie in the sky" stuff, I thought I'd let
loose with the news that I am also developing an alternative Linux
distribution. I've sort of hinted about it on several of my
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Igor Grobman wrote:
> O my god!! This is true. I downloaded it, and the README is pretty much
> what James has written. I tried starting it, and it managed to kill
> exmh, but not all of X exiting with "Setup Eror: Unable to Initialize
> Program". What a pity, it failed to k
The text under discussion, as written by Philip Hands and Buddha Buck,
and posted in total by Manoj Srivastava is:
___
Policy should be followed, except where a discussion about the
clause in
question is still ongoing, in
Most (all?) modems support ATW1, which produces a message of the
form 'CARRIER 14400'. That's probably the text you want. Perhaps
you can get chat to save that line for you.
Dan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes:
> From: Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > For what it's worth, GIF support is doable with free software, just not
> > compressed gifs. [gif supports a variety of compression mechanisms,
> > including "none".]
>
> The patent expires in August.
>
>
From: Anthony Fok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I know you have the best intentions, but to be honest with you,
> I felt somewhat betrayed and abandoned when I first read your
> announcement.
I don't blame you. Unfortunately, I think that the conflict attendant
upon my (entirely theoretical) return to Deb
Hi,
I'm packaging wmppp.app 1.2 (a PPP monitoring tool that fits
on a 64x64 window) and it requieres an external program to determine
the connection speed. The sample program does this:
tac /var/log/messages | grep CONNECT | head -1
since /var/log/messages is not world readable,
Hi, I've been talking to the author of this a bit, and maybe sooner of
later he'll relax his licensing. Currently, you cannot change the
code, although redistribution is free. So, if anyone wants, he says
he will put the changes into the code.. Yeah, it's too bad it's not
free, but I think this
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