Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses

1997-12-07 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote: > Sorry, but don't we keep on agreeing that the <--- key generating DEL is the > right thing to do ? No, we don't. > I could have sworn that I've been in several discussions that resulted in > that > conclusion, with the caveat that people should be abl

Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-06

1997-12-07 Thread Richard Braakman
David Frey wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6 1997 21:50 +0100 Richard Braakman writes: > > David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > pax-2.1-3(Not DFSG-compliant?) > > Hmm. I uploaded pax a few weeks ago into non-free (this was Mark H. Colburn's > version) Let's see... I checked my archives, and I f

Re: intention to package cftp

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 07:42:56PM +, James Troup wrote: > Adrian Bridgett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm going to package cftp (full screen FTP client) - upload on > > Monday :-) > > Umm, a little more information would be nice. I've only tried it for about a minute, but it basically

Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-06

1997-12-07 Thread David Frey
On Sat, Dec 6 1997 21:50 +0100 Richard Braakman writes: ... > David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > pax-2.1-3(Not DFSG-compliant?) Hmm. I uploaded pax a few weeks ago into non-free (this was Mark H. Colburn's version) But anyway, if I manage it to compile the Open-BSD pax, we'll have a

Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses

1997-12-07 Thread Philip Hands
> On Sun Dec 7 09:15:28 1997 + >(Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodio 7 d. 11:15:28 +0200), > Mark Baker wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: > > > > > Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set > > > to

Re: pentium specific packages

1997-12-07 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote: > > How about a binary-pent directory with symlinks back to binary-i386 until > > a package is uploaded. Then we need to tell dselect(ftp) to get the > > packages from binary-pent instead of binary-i386. Is there an easy way to > > do this? (Also,

Re: pentium specific packages

1997-12-07 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
> How about a binary-pent directory with symlinks back to binary-i386 until > a package is uploaded. Then we need to tell dselect(ftp) to get the > packages from binary-pent instead of binary-i386. Is there an easy way to > do this? (Also, if pentium clones also work with the ecgs compiled > pac

Re: Proxy server policy [was Re: gated]

1997-12-07 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > This is one area where Windows has got a far better solution that Unix. I'm > sure it's for technical regions, but I have at least ten different areas in > which I set proxy servers and I'm fed up with it. > > We should have a standard place for thes

Re: Midnight Commander orphaned?

1997-12-07 Thread James Troup
Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If nobody objects (i've cc'ed this message to the original > maintainer "Fernando Alegre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>") i'd happily like > to take over maintenance of this package. Do you have a libc6 setup? A package with a maintainer who can't do uploads for un

Re: predepends on libc6?

1997-12-07 Thread James Troup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Braakman) writes: > So why did you add the call to ldconfig? Because it's necessary. Duh. As I say, try removing it from libreadline2's postinst. Why do you think the upgrade of bo -> hamm is still so problematic? It's because we don't have a method for selective im

Seeking D.C. area developer to sign keys

1997-12-07 Thread Kirk Hilliard
Greetings, I am looking for a Washington, D.C. (USA) area Debian developer to sign keys with. (Actually, I am in Annandale, northern Virginia). The xearth file only has 49 entries, so there is a good chance that there are nearby develops not listed. Unless I hear from anyone closer, I will conta

Re: pentium specific packages

1997-12-07 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > Now that ecgs has ben officially released, maybe it's time to think (again) > about pentium/pro/K6/... specific packages. I think it would be good to have > a section i586 which would contain pentium specific packages. I don't know > how this conflict w

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Mark W. Eichin
On 07-Dec-1997 12:43:00, Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which easily leads (for me) to actually missing them - because of > duplicate suppression, they do not show up where they are expected (with > the mailing list). One of the reasons I *don't* use duplicate supression (I leave

Re: announcement lists

1997-12-07 Thread Mark W. Eichin
> (@debian.org??) I'll raise something I thought about a while I think it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] actually, but I'm not sure; I only occasionally get mail to it -- all of it inappropriate (everything I've gotten to xbase@<> in particular should have either gone to debian-user or to [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: libc5 backports problem

1997-12-07 Thread David Welton
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 10:12:29AM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > Well, I guess then libc5 machines dedicated to backporting should have > dpkg-dev from hamm installed. And upload newer dpkg-dev to bo-unstable > for consistency. As well as patch from hamm, so that it is possible to unpack hamm

intention to package cftp

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
I'm going to package cftp (full screen FTP client) - upload on Monday :-) Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UN

pentium specific packages

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
Now that ecgs has ben officially released, maybe it's time to think (again) about pentium/pro/K6/... specific packages. I think it would be good to have a section i586 which would contain pentium specific packages. I don't know how this conflict with the current dpkg* tools (such as dselect). I kno

Re: Can we learn something from RH 5.0?

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sat, Dec 06, 1997 at 08:46:36PM -0600, David Engel wrote: > On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 11:59:27AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > > David Engel wrote: > > > > > > I only know of one real bug so far. They didn't apply the fix needed > > > to use the NIS module from autofs with glibc. I found that prob

Proxy server policy [was Re: gated]

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sat, Dec 06, 1997 at 02:26:26PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 6 Dec, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > > > Dirk> wget works for me behind a firewall at work. All it needs are the > > Dirk> http_proxy and ftp_proxy environment variables pointing the correct > > Dirk> proxy server. > >

announcement lists

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
Now that we have email addresses for the packages (@debian.org??) I'll raise something I thought about a while ago. Currently the only way that a maintainer knows about a new package is: a) they keep checking the sites b) someone tells them (often through a bug report) c) they have a progra

Re: predepends on libc6?

1997-12-07 Thread Richard Braakman
James Troup wrote: > And please don't judge other maintainers by your own standards, I for > one, won't add gratuitous program calls to my postinsts just because > someone said I should. Perhaps you would, that doesn't mean that 90% > of the shared library maintainers would. So why did you add t

Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap / WNPP: Dermot Bradley probably not maintaining packages

1997-12-07 Thread Dermot John Bradley
On 7 Dec 1997, Ed Donovan wrote: > Some people on debian user had been sharing user-versions of mrtg; I got > the wrong idea, and thought I was facilitating further packaging work . > I'm much happier to see that you *are* still working on the project; do > excuse me. It's okay. Since I left my p

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Steve Greenland
On 07-Dec-1997 12:43:00, Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There don't seem to be many that match your definition of "decent". > (Incidentally, that's part of why I'm still thinking about writing my > own.) > > Maybe we should make a list. You seem to like GNUS; obviously, that's no

Re: xlib6 vs. xlib6g

1997-12-07 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Will> A package I'm maintaining, rosegarden, has come out with Will> dependencies on xlib6 AND xlib6g. I didn't do this by hand, I left Will> the "shlibs" stuff in the control file. Happened to me once with an X11 package of mine. You probably have a mixed libc5/libc6 system, and/or have

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Steve Greenland
On 07-Dec-1997 12:43:00, Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's true. The problem, however, is that better solutions are next to > non-existant - I sure don't consider something that only works for a very > small number of mail clients a "solution". "Reply-to-all" + editing is ava

Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-06

1997-12-07 Thread Kirk Hilliard
Paul Seelig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since XEmacs-20.3 has finally been released on Nov 30 it would be > really nice to have this included in Debian-2.0 instead of the now > obsolete XEmacs-20.2, especially since some nasty bugs have been fixed > with this release. Please tell me that the co

Re: predepends on libc6?

1997-12-07 Thread James Troup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Braakman) writes: > > Take a look at the postinsts for every package with a shared > > library. > > I did. But why assume they are correct? Someone reports a bug and > says "package should run ldconfig", maintainer says "okey I'll do > that". I maintain and have done

Re: libc5 backports problem

1997-12-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> > > Although dpkg-dev from hamm works fine on bo since it is not libc > > > dependent, it's still not possible to backport on a completely-bo > > > given this factor, unless I am missing something .. > > > > As far as I understand, you just told that you can use dpkg-dev from hamm > > to produce

Re: libc5 backports problem

1997-12-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 08:44:06AM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > One problem with doing backports of libc5 packages is that > > dpkg-dev in bo doesn't seem to support pristine sources; > > it complained that the original wasn't in the .orig subdirectory. > > > > Although dpkg-dev from hamm work

Re: libc5 backports problem

1997-12-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> One problem with doing backports of libc5 packages is that > dpkg-dev in bo doesn't seem to support pristine sources; > it complained that the original wasn't in the .orig subdirectory. > > Although dpkg-dev from hamm works fine on bo since it is not libc > dependent, it's still not possible to

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tyson Dowd) wrote on 06.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Even the mail RFC (I forget the > number) suggests using Reply-Tos for mailing lists. You forgot because it's not true. No such thing in any of RFC 821/822/ 1123. MfG Kai -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-m

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manoj Srivastava) wrote on 04.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Personally, I still think that reply-to is a bad solution; we That's true. The problem, however, is that better solutions are next to non-existant - I sure don't consider something that only works for a very

Re: gated

1997-12-07 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dermot John Bradley) wrote on 06.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote: > > > ftp://gated.merit.edu/net-research/gated/gated-R3_5_5.inet.tar.gz > > > > (is that the right one ?) and found this in README.license > > THe current one is gated-3-

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manoj Srivastava) wrote on 06.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If I set a reply-to address for the list manually, then having > it munged is not just being less pleasing, it is *broken* > behaviour. Why should we break perfectly standard mail processing > because some m

Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses

1997-12-07 Thread Ricardas Cepas
On Sun Dec 7 09:15:28 1997 + (Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodÃ…io 7 d. 11:15:28 +0200), Mark Baker wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: > > > Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set > > to ^H. From this

Re: majordomo and exim

1997-12-07 Thread Vadim Vygonets
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote: > I ended up having so much trouble that I switched to sendmail. I > received a message that the latest exim now understands -ooe . you mean -oee ? That means that any errors are forwarded to the sender (seems like it means the address in "Sender

oops

1997-12-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Sorry, I was having hassles with my local mail system & broken reverse DNS here and accidentally resent an unstable upload announcement to debian-devel-announce instead of debian-devel-changes. :-( hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian p

Re: Intent to package: umich-ldap / WNPP: Dermot Bradley probably not maintaining packages

1997-12-07 Thread Ed Donovan
Dermot - (Just caught up with the list again; my Gnus setup caught your mail to the list first and put the direct reply in the 'duplicates' bin.) As the one making the speculations about your absence, I'm extremely sorry. I didn't mean to put you in a position of explaining yourself. Some peopl

Unidentified subject!

1997-12-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Format: 1.5 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:27:33 +1100 Source: guavac Binary: guavac Architecture: source i386 Version: 1.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Description: guavac - A java compiler. Changes: guav

Re: dpkg-source problem

1997-12-07 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Fri, Dec 05, 1997 at 11:21:36AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Ulf" == Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ulf> Hello, > > Ulf> when I use dpkg-source on an unchanged source tree it complains > Ulf> about "unrepresentable changes". dpkg-buildpackage exits with an >

libc5 backports problem

1997-12-07 Thread Hamish Moffatt
One problem with doing backports of libc5 packages is that dpkg-dev in bo doesn't seem to support pristine sources; it complained that the original wasn't in the .orig subdirectory. Although dpkg-dev from hamm works fine on bo since it is not libc dependent, it's still not possible to backport on

Re: random numbers

1997-12-07 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Mark Baker wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G John Lapeyre) writes: > > > Recipes generators and the linux system 'random', which is the longer > > Do you mean the library call random? No, that isn't brilliant, though if you > try other un

Re: random numbers

1997-12-07 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G John Lapeyre) writes: > Recipes generators and the linux system 'random', which is the longer Do you mean the library call random? No, that isn't brilliant, though if you try other unixes you'll probably find them worse. Apparently /dev

Re: crontab

1997-12-07 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg) writes: > that do this, and file a bug report against them. You should mention that > tail +4 is dangerous since the behaviour of crontab -l might change , and > recommend something like: > > crontab -l | sed -e '/

Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses

1997-12-07 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes: > Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set > to ^H. From this point on, Debian's rxvt policy will be to use ^H as > backspace by default. Couldn't you force it to ^? instead? That would be

Re: Duplicate messages on this list

1997-12-07 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 06-Dec-1997, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tyson> Considering most mailing lists seem to be configured to reject > Tyson> email that isn't "From" the person on the list, I find this is > Tyson> a pretty feeble argument. But it's the strongest argument for > Tyson> not munging

Re: random numbers

1997-12-07 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote: > What are the considerations for choosing a system random number > generator? What if debian were the first unix to have a good random > number generator ? (is there another?) At least I should upload GPL'd > versions of the good generators (ther

random numbers

1997-12-07 Thread G John Lapeyre
I just had occaison to test random number generators in my work. I also read a review paper from the physics literature on the subject. I did extensive tests (on my problem) on all four of the best Numerical Recipes generators and the linux system 'random', which is the longer period ge

Re: copyright infringment

1997-12-07 Thread Ben Pfaff
CKaduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was hired and paid to take a photograph of a collage basketball team they > then took the photo and mass produced thousands of copies of it and gave them > away at a ballgame they were not given the negative or a copyright do I > have any legal recours

Re: predepends on libc6?

1997-12-07 Thread Richard Braakman
James Troup wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Braakman) writes: > > > > The packaging manual is wrong; this is a long standing bug. > > > > Can you explain, or refer to a bug number that explains it? > > No. I have neither the time nor the inclination to trawl through the > hundreds of bugs f

Re: Can we learn something from RH 5.0?

1997-12-07 Thread David Engel
On Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 11:59:27AM +1100, Herbert Xu wrote: > David Engel wrote: > > > > I only know of one real bug so far. They didn't apply the fix needed > > to use the NIS module from autofs with glibc. I found that problem > > Does there rpc.nfsd (or squid) leak? Wasn't that caused by gl

copyright infringment

1997-12-07 Thread CKaduc
I was hired and paid to take a photograph of a collage basketball team they then took the photo and mass produced thousands of copies of it and gave them away at a ballgame they were not given the negative or a copyright do I have any legal recourse ? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILIN

Breaking GNU standards off from autoconf

1997-12-07 Thread Ben Pfaff
Would anyone mind particularly if I took the GNU standards.info out of autoconf and made a new package for it, and added maintain.info and tasks.info to this package? I think it is the right thing to do; autoconf is not particularly suited for this. On another note, is there a magic way to get th

Re: Can we learn something from RH 5.0?

1997-12-07 Thread Herbert Xu
David Engel wrote: > > I only know of one real bug so far. They didn't apply the fix needed > to use the NIS module from autofs with glibc. I found that problem Does there rpc.nfsd (or squid) leak? -- Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmV>HI~} <[EMAIL

Re: xlib6 vs. xlib6g

1997-12-07 Thread Carey Evans
Will Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A package I'm maintaining, rosegarden, has come out with dependencies on > xlib6 AND xlib6g. I didn't do this by hand, I left the "shlibs" stuff in > the control file. I would purge xlib6 from the system, but a lot of > packages I need on a daily basis

Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-06

1997-12-07 Thread Anthony Fok
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Richard Braakman wrote: > (orphan): > addressbook-0.6.1-2 Is anyone working on addressbook? If not, maybe I'll give it a shot and see if I can package it. There's a new upstream version 0.7. :) Thanks. :) -- Anthony Fok Tung-Ling[EMAIL PROTECTED] Civil Eng

Re: crontab

1997-12-07 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 05-Dec-1997 10:32:37, Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The fact that the three lines added here ever get seen in the output of >> >> crontab -l >> >> is a bug IMO: > >Actually, I got a better understanding o

Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-06

1997-12-07 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Hi! Previously Richard Braakman wrote: > Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > xcdroast-0.96-1 Just a quick note to discourage non-maintainer uploads: I am still waiting for the 0.96c release of xcdroast. I've got a packaged version of the fourth beta which seems to work just fine. Wichert.

Re: majordomo and exim

1997-12-07 Thread G John Lapeyre
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Vadim Vygonets wrote: > On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote: > > > After several hours of effort, I have majordomo working with exim. > > I never even knew what the different MTA's were , much less how to use > > them. However, I think all the changes to the major