Kernel 2.0.30 a bad choice for 1.3

1997-05-21 Thread John Goerzen
Since we know of a number of things that have been broken in 2.0.30 (such as IP masquerading being totally hosed), why are we distributing that version with 1.3? It seems like a rather bad idea because it could very well break the setups of a number of people. -- John Goerzen | Running

Re: Perl issues

1997-05-21 Thread Tomislav Vujec
Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 21 May 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: > > > 2. The man-pages and html-docs would go into a separate perl-doc > >package. > > I agree for the html docs, but I think each manpage should go into the > package containing the feature it d

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Guy Maor
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This all seems ok except for maybe the export restrictions section. We don't > have a non-Cuba-Yugoslavia-Hati-Iran-Iraq-North-Korea-and-Syria section like > we have a non-us section.. so does abuse belong in non-free or on some > us-only ftp site, or what?

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Joey Hess
Jim Pick: > > Restrictions : > >Crack dot Com retains ownership of the Abuse Trademark and data sets. > > What does data sets mean? I think it means the levels, sounds, artwork, etc that the abuse engine uses. > Sounds like the libs can go into the free section. Cool. If by "libs" you mea

Re: RFC: policy supplement for library packages

1997-05-21 Thread Guy Maor
Helmut Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > based on | package name| hierarchy locations > --- > libc6 | libfoo-dev | /usr/{lib,include} > libc5 | libfoo-libc5-altdev | /usr/i486-linuxlibc1

Re: copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
> Crack dot Com has decided to release abuse as public domain software. So no > more a.out abuse, once I get the new one built. But I do have a couple of > questions about their copyright: > > This release is to the public domain, meaning there are very few > restrictions in on use. But here a

Re: Debian 1.3 Release Candidate

1997-05-21 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >*** >** ** >** Debian 1.3 Release Candidate

copyright question for abuse

1997-05-21 Thread Joey Hess
Crack dot Com has decided to release abuse as public domain software. So no more a.out abuse, once I get the new one built. But I do have a couple of questions about their copyright: This release is to the public domain, meaning there are very few restrictions in on use. But here are a few :

Re: smail bug? FQND not in proper format

1997-05-21 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 19.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Basically, mailx conflicts with smail. > > dpkg: error processing xmysql (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Setting up smail (3.2-3) ... > Error: system's FQDN hostname (citytel_prct40.citytel.net) doesn't m

Re: ssltelnet

1997-05-21 Thread Scott Ellis
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > Can someone verify that this is a problem? I installed ssleay and ssltelnet, > and when ssltelnet ripped through the install, it never paused for me > to enter the info for the certificate.. This is what it looked like: > > Generating a 512 bit private

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
> > (looks like we beat Red Hat, go figure...) > > Much more CDs of RedHat have probably been sold than Debian CDs, and > people installing from CDs may not have internet access and not register > with the linux counter? Also that's only statistics... I just thought it was neat. Anyways, the

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > This might be a mini-project for someone: > > I'd like to see a graph of the total number of bugs, number of open bugs > plotted on a graph vs. the date. Perhaps superimposing the release dates > on it too. Sure! I'd love to see that. _(; (Quick s

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Christoph Lameter
I dont care how the prompt looks. Just pick one and dont leave it the way it is. Who is the maintainer of the package in question? Let him decide. On Wed, 21 May 1997, Chris Fearnley wrote: >'=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Lichtmaier?= wrote:' >> >> So I say: PS1="[\\u] \\h:\\w\\$ " =D > >No, PS1

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Chris Fearnley
'=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Lichtmaier?= wrote:' > > So I say: PS1="[\\u] \\h:\\w\\$ " =D No, PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w\$ ' ! I guess this will become a flame war. So I'd prefer to leave prompt alone. Or maybe the boot disks can have a dialog script to help the user choose a prompt? --

Re: Perl issues

1997-05-21 Thread Rob Browning
Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think perl-base should not be Essential, since it will be replaced > anyway once the installation completes. "perl" should be essential though. > (Or can "essential" packages be replaced by dpkg?) I think maybe you misread the proposal. Under th

Re: RFC: policy supplement for library packages

1997-05-21 Thread Mark Eichin
> libc6 | libfoo-dev | /usr/{lib,include} > libc5 | libfoo-libc5-dev| /usr/{lib,include} I still have trouble with this. There is already a libc5 | libfoo-dev| /usr/{lib,include} for each libfoo out there. When people upgrade from 1.3->2.0, what's *s

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
This might be a mini-project for someone: I'd like to see a graph of the total number of bugs, number of open bugs plotted on a graph vs. the date. Perhaps superimposing the release dates on it too. It would be cool if we could somehow track the number of machines/users we had too. I checked

Re: crons scripts should report status info in the mail

1997-05-21 Thread Chris Fearnley
'Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:' > >Since the output from cron jobs is mailed anyhow, as it should be, I >think that all cron scripts should report in as they are run, and that >this should be made a standard. Here's why. But if they complete successfully they should be quiet. Maybe this would work: s

Re: Perl issues

1997-05-21 Thread Vincent Renardias
On 21 May 1997, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: > 1. Split the main executable and a small set of base files into >perl-base. This would be Priority: required, should it be Essential? >There will still be a main Perl package but it would supplement >perl-base instead of replacing it.

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: > In your email to me, Jim Pick, you wrote: > > > In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report > > > #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc). > > > *cracks open a virtual beer* _(; > > > > > > Out o

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Jim Pick, you wrote: > > --==_Exmh_1577184704P > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report > > #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc). > > *cracks open a virt

Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Jim Pick
> > In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report > #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc). > *cracks open a virtual beer* _(; > > Out of those ~1 bug reports, about 2200 are still outstanding. Congratulations. BTW, if you believe th

ssltelnet

1997-05-21 Thread Tim Sailer
Can someone verify that this is a problem? I installed ssleay and ssltelnet, and when ssltelnet ripped through the install, it never paused for me to enter the info for the certificate.. This is what it looked like: Generating a 512 bit private key + ..+ wr

Re: Bug#9813: rxvt 2.20-4 : Bad setting of TERM environ variable

1997-05-21 Thread John Goerzen
Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The rxvt authors claim that programs such as JED, slrn, Midnight > Commander check this variable. I don't know since I don't use any of > these applications. These are all programs that don't use the standard ncurses interface, I believe. As such, they a

Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-05-21 Thread John Goerzen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian C. White) writes: > *** *** > *** Release of Bo is HOLDING for CRITICAL BUGS!*** > *** *** > *** There is one remaining c

--> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Vincent Renardias
In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc). *cracks open a virtual beer* _(; Out of those ~1 bug reports, about 2200 are still outstanding. Cordialement, -- - ** Linux ** +

Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-05-21 Thread Christoph
Did anyone make sure that this is really a bug? In all my testing I did not encounter this. The upgrade I did yesterday did not show anything. Reputation: We are just confirming our bad reputation in not being able to get things out of the door... There are still nasty bugs in bo that will probab

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Philip Hands
>Generally, after installing any system, I add this to ~/.profile for >root:- > >alias rm="/bin/rm -i" This is a BAD thing to do. If you want this use a different name, like: alias del="/bin/rm -i" Otherwise it is all too easy to get into the habit of doing rm * and picking the ones you w

Re: config packages [Was: rm -r * and the default prompt]

1997-05-21 Thread Tom Lees
On Tue, 20 May 1997, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 1997, Nicol=E1s Lichtmaier wrote: > > > I think that this is the kind of thinking that is killing Debian. > >=20 > > 1) Newbie setting doesn't mean annoying settings. > > 2) `real men' like you can change those settings. > > 3) Conf

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Christoph Lameter
I can put that into the chris-cust package ... On Tue, 20 May 1997, Tom Lees wrote: >On Mon, 19 May 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote: > >> >Anybody should know that before typing "rm -rf *" or an equivolent, >> >you THINK FIRST, every time. >> >> The problem does not arise when you type rm the firs

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Tom Lees
On Mon, 19 May 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote: > >Anybody should know that before typing "rm -rf *" or an equivolent, > >you THINK FIRST, every time. > > The problem does not arise when you type rm the first time but after you > have some confidence and you think you know what you are doing. > >

Re: login installation weirdness?

1997-05-21 Thread Colin Telmer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 21 May 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > There's something like /etc/inittab.real, diff it against inittab. > This is a result of a failure in an installation script that should > have moved inittab.real to inittab . Probably you control-C-ed out of > the root

Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-05-21 Thread Kevin Dalley
Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Have a look at the bug report. I dont know why no one has marked it as > done yet. There is a file lists in the but report ending in .dpkg-tmp > evidently from a crash. Dont be buerocratic about releasing 1.3. Brian should resist releasing 1.3 if a

Re: config packages [Was: rm -r * and the default prompt]

1997-05-21 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) wrote on 20.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would not advocate implementing such a package this way. Most of > the config files that we would be interested in fixing for newbies can > include or source another file. Take sh-like shells for example. We > would h

Re: Perl issues

1997-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On May 21, Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote > I'd really appreciate your input on these issues, so that I can go > forward with the Perl package. Don't let this slow down your work, but: one thing I've been itching for is a mechanism for CPAN installation to interoperate with the Debian package mana

Re: using dselect with hamm/non-free, hamm/contrib

1997-05-21 Thread Raul Miller
On May 20, Buddha Buck wrote > Even with this, I can't get it to work. I'm running into the same > problem Mr. Hess reported. Using dir: /debian dist: unstable, I have > been able to get hamm, but no combination I've tried has allowed me to > get hamm/non-free or hamm/contrib. I can get the p

Perl issues

1997-05-21 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I have some ideas on what I'm planning on doing with the Debian Perl package in the near future. 1. Split the main executable and a small set of base files into perl-base. This would be Priority: required, should it be Essential? There will still be a mai

Re: dpkg verify mode for security?

1997-05-21 Thread Amos Shapira
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote: > Actually, as opposed t a security measure, I would've found something > like this useful as a backup-check measure. > > I had a nasty head-crash last week. Thankfully, I had recent backups. > Unfortunately, I had upgraded a number of packages after the latest > b

Re: dpkg verify mode for security?

1997-05-21 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Chris Fearnley, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote: >'Amos Shapira wrote:' >>many "use tripwire" answers, and one which says that RPM has a verify >>mode which checks for files which were changed since they were > >What does the rpm verify give you? As

Re: rm -r * and the default prompt

1997-05-21 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> I don't think Debian is really aiming at newbies. (RedHat John> is) Debian is aiming at the power user or admin type -- the John> people that already know Unix. But you have to consider the case of an ISP that wants to u

Re: RFC: policy supplement for library packages

1997-05-21 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
... >based on | package name | library location > > libc6 | libfoo | /usr/lib/libfoo.so. > libc5 | libfoo-libc5 | /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libfoo.so. > ... > based on | package name| hierarchy loc

Re: 1.3 installation report.

1997-05-21 Thread Thomas Gebhardt
Hi, > Presumably, you installed xdm after installing shadow. shadowconfig edits > /etc/init.d/xdm to switch between using xdm and xdm-shadow, so all you need > to > do is: > > shadowconfig off > shadowconfig on > > and all should be well. Yes, thank you! But I think, the xbase package

Re: RFC: Kernel-package: Please add the '.config' file in the binary package

1997-05-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"SirDibos" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: SirDibos> On Tue, 20 May 1997, Mike Orr wrote: SirDibos> You are right. However, what solution do you suggest in my SirDibos> case, where I have 6 different kernels cluttering up my / ? SirDibos> I use all of em, 1 is a backup, some implement di

Re: using dselect with hamm/non-free, hamm/contrib

1997-05-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I got it by applying this patch posted a couple of weeks ago by Tomislav Vujec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Tomislav> If you're using dselest's ftp method (dpkg-ftp), you'll need Tomislav> this small patch, which I included in bug report 8762 for Tomislav> dpkg-ftp: --- /usr/lib/dpkg/metho

Re: config packages [Was: rm -r * and the default prompt]

1997-05-21 Thread Brian Mays
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Lichtmaier?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I see a `config package' as a package that includes/modifies other > packages conffiles. Using packages for this is ignoring the concept of a > package. What if you remove one of these packages? What if some programs > whose file

RFC: policy supplement for library packages

1997-05-21 Thread Helmut Geyer
Hi Folks! The late discussion here on migration to libc6 indicates that a statement on the requirements of library run time and development packages is to be included in the policy manual. This is how I recall the discussion we had about this topic some weeks ago. It might be that I am a little b

Re: RFC: Kernel-package: Please add the '.config' file in the binary package

1997-05-21 Thread jwalther
On Tue, 20 May 1997, Mike Orr wrote: > It should be copied, and not symlinked. /boot must not have any symlinks > into /usr, in case /usr is trashed and you're trying to recover. > > If the symlink went the other way, from /usr/src/linux/.config into > /boot/.config, then "make config" would b

Re: using dselect with hamm/non-free, hamm/contrib

1997-05-21 Thread Buddha Buck
> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > dpkg-ftp downloads the Packages files ok using this, but when I go to > > download, it can't find the files: > > Actually you should use > > distribution base: .../debian/dists/unstable > section list: main non-free contrib > > Use unstable or froze

Re: RFC: Kernel-package: Please add the '.config' file in the binary package

1997-05-21 Thread Mike Orr
On Mon, 19 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just, let it be symlinked to > /usr/src/linux/.config too, ok? =) It should be copied, and not symlinked. /boot must not have any symlinks into /usr, in case /usr is trashed and you're trying to recover. If the symlink went the other way, from /us

Re: ObjC runtime (was: Upcoming Debian Releases)

1997-05-21 Thread Galen Hazelwood
Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > > > Include the multi-thread support patch for the Objective-C runtime lib (???) > > bo includes gstep-base-0.2.12 and gstep-base-0.2.12 includes a patch file > gcc-2.7.2.1-objc.diff, which therefore should be applied to the gcc in bo > (the patch applies fine to gcc-2.7.