Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-04-01 Thread Neil Williams
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:18:23 +0200 Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On 03/30/2016 02:55 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > IME it's much easier to automate using VMs if possible, but I'm open > > to being convinced otherwise. > > Sure, but how do I get a new VM for it? Should I write a mail t

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Steve, On 03/30/2016 02:55 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > IME it's much easier to automate using VMs if possible, but I'm open > to being convinced otherwise. Sure, but how do I get a new VM for it? Should I write a mail to dsa@ ? Not sure if you want more insights here, but I'll give them (as m

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, Mar 30 2016, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Manoj wrote: >>On Tue, Mar 29 2016, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> And, to make it more explicit, we're also happy/willing/wanting to get >>> more people involved in the production of the images that we >>> ship. Again, the "CD" team name is a really bad one

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Anders Ingemann
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:55 AM Steve McIntyre wrote: > Thomas Goirand wrote: > >On 03/25/2016 11:31 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> * 3rd September: Requirements agreed for a test suite for cloud images > >> > >>To make sure that the images we're producing are sane with > >>reasonable qu

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Thomas Goirand wrote: >On 03/25/2016 11:31 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> * 3rd September: Requirements agreed for a test suite for cloud images >> >>To make sure that the images we're producing are sane with >>reasonable quality, we'll be running tests on them. We'll need to >>agree wh

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Manoj wrote: >On Tue, Mar 29 2016, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> And, to make it more explicit, we're also happy/willing/wanting to get >> more people involved in the production of the images that we >> ship. Again, the "CD" team name is a really bad one by now! > >Raises hand. Woot, thanks! O

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Mar 29 2016, Steve McIntyre wrote: > And, to make it more explicit, we're also happy/willing/wanting to get > more people involved in the production of the images that we > ship. Again, the "CD" team name is a really bad one by now! Raises hand. Manoj -- Got a dictionar

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Antonio Terceiro wrote: > >The people who do the work of building official release images at >release time _is_ the "CD" team, so those who want to have images for >their pet cloud providers built together with the other official images >at release time and distributed through the regular Debian ch

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Charles Plessy wrote: >Hi Richard and Steve, > >So according to Richard, the issue is "How can Debian ensure that cloud images >a user might use are proper Debian?" and the solution is that "trademark team >asked the CD team if they would be willing to become a gatekeeper of sorts". > >Concretely,

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-29 Thread Thomas Goirand
Hi Steve, On 03/25/2016 11:31 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > * 3rd September: Requirements agreed for a test suite for cloud images > >To make sure that the images we're producing are sane with >reasonable quality, we'll be running tests on them. We'll need to >agree what should be test

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Brian Gupta
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi Richard, > > here are quick answers, but I will then run out of time and I am not sure > to be able to continue the discussion on that pace in the next few days > (which may be a good thing). > > Le Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:48:22AM -0700,

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 01:29:08AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Your main concern seems to be that you will be forced to conform to an > > arbitrary rule-set enforced top-down. > > My main concern is that what is being done is a strong departure from what I > felt is a core Debian value: the p

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Richard, here are quick answers, but I will then run out of time and I am not sure to be able to continue the discussion on that pace in the next few days (which may be a good thing). Le Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:48:22AM -0700, Richard Hartmann a écrit : > > all teams are well within their dele

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
Hi Charles, all teams are well within their delegations. If the DPL had felt that to not be the case, I am sure he would have updated them accordingly or created a new one. Our main concern is that we need a way to protect our users from unexpected behavior in a somewhat automated and scalable ma

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Richard and Steve, So according to Richard, the issue is "How can Debian ensure that cloud images a user might use are proper Debian?" and the solution is that "trademark team asked the CD team if they would be willing to become a gatekeeper of sorts". Concretely, the "CD team" is Steve. I st

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi Charles, Charles Plessy wrote: >Le Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:31:26PM +, Steve McIntyre a écrit : >> >> We have a few requirements agreed for such images to be >> classed as *official* (i.e. blessed and released by Debian), and one >> of these is that they should be built on Debian hardware,

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-26 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Charles On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 12:41:06PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Latly, who are the decision makers, shouldn't it be the ones who does the work > ? If the "CD team" has not been producing cloud images in the past, why is it > getting suddenly such a central role ? Please read https:

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-25 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > I am still puzzled where this requirement comes from. Can you clarify who > is "we" ? This most likely includes the teams listed above, the DPL, and the attendees of the respective BoF at DC15. > Can you also explain in more details wha

Re: Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:31:26PM +, Steve McIntyre a écrit : > > We have a few requirements agreed for such images to be > classed as *official* (i.e. blessed and released by Debian), and one > of these is that they should be built on Debian hardware, controlled > by the (increasingly inaccu

Timeline for official Debian cloud images for the Stretch release

2016-03-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi folks, There's been some discussion between various teams (the trademark team, the CD team and debian-cloud people) about what should be done to enable production of official Debian images for various cloud platforms. We have a few requirements agreed for such images to be classed as *official*