Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-20 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 21/08/2022 à 00:41, Luca Boccassi a écrit : Yes I noticed the same thing when building images, this cross-device check is a true annoyance and can't seem to find a workaround :-/ I can't find a solution, so unfortunately it looks like we have to resort to maintainer scripts, which is awful b

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-20 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 20:30:43 +0100 Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:58:03 +0200 Michael Prokop > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > * Luca Boccassi [Thu Aug 18, 2022 at 03:20:22PM +0100]: > > > On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 16:07 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > > > > > > And, last but not the least, I

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-20 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:58:03 +0200 Michael Prokop wrote: > Hi, > > * Luca Boccassi [Thu Aug 18, 2022 at 03:20:22PM +0100]: > > On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 16:07 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > > > > And, last but not the least, I see that /etc/resolv.conf is now part of > > > systemd-resolved files, w

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-19 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 18/08/2022 à 21:29, Luca Boccassi a écrit : Going for a custom setup means sometimes there is, sometimes there's not. It's always a tradeoff. This breaking change means there's now a supported way to run resolved, and it's the easiest possible way for all those that weren't using it before, wh

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-19 Thread Michael Prokop
Hi, * Luca Boccassi [Thu Aug 18, 2022 at 03:20:22PM +0100]: > On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 16:07 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > > And, last but not the least, I see that /etc/resolv.conf is now part of > > systemd-resolved files, which means that it would be deleted when the > > systemd-resolved packa

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 18:07 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > Le 18/08/2022 à 16:59, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > No, custom and unsupported setups are unsupported. Compatibility is > > provided for default environments, anything outside of it can and will > > break at any given time, and it's not real

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 18/08/2022 à 16:59, Luca Boccassi a écrit : No, custom and unsupported setups are unsupported. Compatibility is provided for default environments, anything outside of it can and will break at any given time, and it's not really feasible to do otherwise given the uncountable amount of possible

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 16:46 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > Le 18/08/2022 à 16:20, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > No, it is not, because no integration nor support was provided before. > > It was an inhert and disabled service and binary. > > The NEWS file covers the change adequately for custom setups

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 18/08/2022 à 16:20, Luca Boccassi a écrit : No, it is not, because no integration nor support was provided before. It was an inhert and disabled service and binary. The NEWS file covers the change adequately for custom setups. Custom setups are always at risk of breakage. I agree that it was

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 16:07 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > Le 17/08/2022 à 00:36, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > > Personally I see this as a regression, since resolved used to be part of > > > systemd and thus readily available without installing additional packages. > > > > No support was provided

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-18 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 17/08/2022 à 00:36, Luca Boccassi a écrit : Personally I see this as a regression, since resolved used to be part of systemd and thus readily available without installing additional packages. No support was provided before for resolved, it was completely inhert, hence it is not a regression.

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-16 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Tue, 2022-08-16 at 23:17 +0200, Raphaël Halimi wrote: > Le 16/08/2022 à 22:59, Luca Boccassi a écrit : > > You want resolved? Install the resolved package. Don't want resolved? > > Don't install the package. > > Personally I see this as a regression, since resolved used to be part of > systemd

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-16 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Le 16/08/2022 à 22:59, Luca Boccassi a écrit : You want resolved? Install the resolved package. Don't want resolved? Don't install the package. Personally I see this as a regression, since resolved used to be part of systemd and thus readily available without installing additional packages.

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-16 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:08:14 +0200 "Andrej Shadura" wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, at 19:04, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> I agree that the decision should be revisited, but for a different > >> reason. I see no reason why resolvconf cannot be used with resolved; > >> OTOH the current split p

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-14 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, at 19:04, Michael Biebl wrote: >> I agree that the decision should be revisited, but for a different >> reason. I see no reason why resolvconf cannot be used with resolved; >> OTOH the current split prevents that, which I find very undesirable. >> >> I was very surprise

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.08.22 um 18:43 schrieb Andrej Shadura: Hi, On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 04:29:52 +0200 Raphaël Halimi wrote: And finally, my opinion: After reading the mail thread in this bug report, I thought the plan was to separate systemd-resolvconf (as Arch did, IIUC), not the entire systemd-resolved se

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-14 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 04:29:52 +0200 Raphaël Halimi wrote: And finally, my opinion: After reading the mail thread in this bug report, I thought the plan was to separate systemd-resolvconf (as Arch did, IIUC), not the entire systemd-resolved service. IMHO this is a **very** bad idea, and

Bug#939904: Temporary network disruption during upgrade

2022-08-13 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Dear developers, I just upgraded a sid system and I noticed that the network was broken on this machine. I suppose the reason is that I had systemd-resolved enabled and /etc/resolv.conf was symlinked to the stub resolver (/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf), and since the systemd-resolved