Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades (thoughts)

2014-12-04 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Christian Seiler > Am 2014-12-04 18:21, schrieb Adam Borowski: > > > * some configurations of encrypted lvm > > Could you point me to a bug report on this? I'd like to help out with > that. I have systemd running on my home computer with an encrypted > LVM, and it does work, so what you are r

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades (thoughts)

2014-12-04 Thread Christian Seiler
Sorry, stupid webmail, sent my email to early... and only to the mailing list, not the bugtracker... :( To make sure it's recorded in the bug, and I also added something to the end: Am 2014-12-04 19:31, schrieb Christian Seiler: Am 2014-12-04 18:21, schrieb Adam Borowski: On Thu, Dec 04, 2014

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades (thoughts)

2014-12-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 05:25:26PM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote: > - Switchig depends order of init [1] >(sysvinit-core before systemd-sysv) > > -> won't work, because init is Essential, but systemd-sysv isn't, >so this change would default the init system to sysvinit for >

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades (thoughts)

2014-12-04 Thread Sam Hartman
Thanks. I found this post of your to be really thought-provoking and useful and an example of the sort of discourse we should strive to when discussing these issues. I think the discussion of switching default inits in the future is something to particularly consider. --Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades (thoughts)

2014-12-04 Thread Christian Seiler
Dear ctte, after having watched this discussion from the sidelines a bit, I'd like to offer a few thoughts on this topic. First of all, as for the technical issue of how to NOT cause the init system to be switched when updating from wheezy to jessie: all proposed solution I've seen in this threa

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades

2014-09-21 Thread Alexandre Ferrieux
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:16:11 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: > > I agree with documenting this: we should have a very clear statement in > the release notes documenting the new default init system, and stating > that anyone wishing to continue using sysvinit should install > sysvinit-core and systemd-s

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades

2014-09-19 Thread Josh Triplett
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:44:43 +0100 Ian Jackson wrote: > Package: tech-ctte > > At the risk of generating confusion due to a duplication of threads: On the contrary, thank you for moving this to a separate thread. I would like to propose that, if the TC addresses this point at all, it does so s

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades

2014-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Hedderly writes ("Re: Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades"): > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 01:44:43PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > My view is that users should not be automatically switched when > > upgrading to jessie. As I said in my

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Hedderly
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 01:44:43PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > My view is that users should not be automatically switched when > upgrading to jessie. As I said in my intro to #746578: > Just out of interest, had Upstrat been chose as the _default_ init system for Debian, would you have had the s

Bug#762194: Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades

2014-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: tech-ctte At the risk of generating confusion due to a duplication of threads: It appears that the answer to #746578 (libpam-systemd dependency) does not depend on whether users upgrading should be switched to systemd by default. The current state in jessie is that users are switched by