Bug#657698: [php-maint] Bug#657698: Meetoo, make suhosin patch on php5 enabled by default or make it as easy as possible to install

2012-01-31 Thread Ondřej Surý
Please everybody don't *meetoo*. This is not a popularity contest. There was people meetooing for removal when suhosin was added, let's not do it over again but in different direction. O. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:30, Jesse Molina wrote: > > Just doing a meetoo here and saying that the removal

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2012-01-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/31/2012 06:02 AM, Stefan Esser wrote: > I can understand that you as a Debian user are sad about > the fact that Debian's PHP maintainers decided that > security is not important. > However from my point of view it is actually better if > Debian does not ship Suhosin by default. That might st

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2012-01-30 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 04:50 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Do you have some skills > that you could lend for this work? Well as said, I'm really no PHP expert and basically just forced to use it ;) ... > If you didn't get in touch with upstream and not pushing for this to > happen, yes you are dr

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2012-01-30 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 23:02 +0100, Stefan Esser wrote: > Yeah it is really amusing that Debian's PHP maintainers spend > hours/days on writing emails about dropping Suhosin and voting on it. > Then spend more time on patching their build scripts to no longer ship > Suhosin by default. Then spend ev

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2012-01-30 Thread Stefan Esser
Hello Christoph, > Unfortunately Debian's php maintainers had to drop the suhosin core > patches (for now), as far as I understand mainly because of lack of > man-power. Yeah it is really amusing that Debian's PHP maintainers spend hours/days on writing emails about dropping Suhosin and voting o

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2012-01-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi Stefan. Unfortunately Debian's php maintainers had to drop the suhosin core patches (for now), as far as I understand mainly because of lack of man-power. I've opened a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657698 where I asked (or begged ;) ) them to add it back or (even bette

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2012-01-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 22:56 +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: > > Were there any troubles in applying the suhosin core patch to PHP? > It still applies cleanly. So the effort it made you was in tracing bugs in software that didn't work with suhosin? Isn't this rather the business of upstream of those packa

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2012-01-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 22:36, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Were there any troubles in applying the suhosin core patch to PHP? It still applies cleanly. > So is it "just" a matter of making the php5 source package produce binaries > for both -with-suhosin and no-suhosin? That's exactly wha

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2012-01-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi. I cannot read the those threads right now, as alioth is down... but anyway... On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 09:47 +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote: > The PHP team is undermanned for a very long time Well I don't wanna tell you how to do your job ;-) ... but wouldn't it then be better to rather drop some oth

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2012-01-29 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, there was a short discussion on the mailing list. It was started by Jan Wagner (maintainer of php5-suhosin module) here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2012-January/009642.html I then asked on the mailing list about other opinions: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipe