Bug#531002: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-05-13 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes: > Hi all, > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 03:01:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> David Kalnischkies writes: > [...] >> >> For apticron: can this be worked around or maybe just document ways the >> >> user can prevent it from happening? >> > By popular depend (o

Bug#544481: Bug#531002: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-05-12 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Hi all, On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 03:01:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > David Kalnischkies writes: [...] > >> For apticron: can this be worked around or maybe just document ways the > >> user can prevent it from happening? > > By popular depend (or by us for debugging proposes) is a littl

Bug#531002: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-29 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
David Kalnischkies writes: > Hi .*, > > 2010/4/28 Matt Taggart : >> 2) diffutils and dash are "Priority: required"/"Essential: yes" in >> unstable, but weren't in lenny. > Every time we talk about the "problem" outlined here it boils down to: > Why the user still have the (old)stable repository i

Bug#544481: Bug#557209: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-29 Thread David Kalnischkies
2010/4/29 Matt Taggart : > 2) diffutils - This didn't exist as a binary package in stable, so there is > nothing to install and put on hold. You can put a hold even on a not installed package, so you can use a hold also to prevent the installation of the package, not only the upgrade of the package

Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread David Kalnischkies
2010/4/29 Matt Taggart : > Can you think of another way that apticron could determine if things are > needed? That is the point: We disagree here if the listed packages are need or not. In a complete upgraded stable from oldstable the old essentials are not needed so they can be removed which apt

Bug#531002: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread Matt Taggart
> We can argue now that mixed systems aren't supported, but in the > middle of a dist-upgrade from old-stable to stable the system is also > a mixed system -- and, if we really would not support it, why does the > user have different archives in his sources? I have often seen package maintainers s

Bug#531002: Bug#557209: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread Matt Taggart
> > If the user don't want to see it (s)he can e.g. put the not installed > > package on hold and will be done with it? > > This does not seem to work in all cases. I've recently struggled with a > system that was trying to remove or upgrade packages that I had > explicitly set on hold immediately

Bug#531002: Bug#544481: Bug#557209: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread David Kalnischkies
2010/4/28 Toni Mueller : > On Wed, 28.04.2010 at 21:14:52 +0200, David Kalnischkies > wrote: >> 2010/4/28 Matt Taggart : >> > 2) diffutils and dash are "Priority: required"/"Essential: yes" in >> > unstable, but weren't in lenny. >> Every time we talk about the "problem" outlined here it boils do

Bug#544481: Bug#557209: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Wed, 28.04.2010 at 21:14:52 +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: > 2010/4/28 Matt Taggart : > > 2) diffutils and dash are "Priority: required"/"Essential: yes" in > > unstable, but weren't in lenny. > Every time we talk about the "problem" outlined here it boils down to: > Why the user still

Bug#531002: Bug#544481: apticron: apt-get dist-upgrade pulling required packages from unstable

2010-04-28 Thread David Kalnischkies
Hi .*, 2010/4/28 Matt Taggart : > 2) diffutils and dash are "Priority: required"/"Essential: yes" in > unstable, but weren't in lenny. Every time we talk about the "problem" outlined here it boils down to: Why the user still have the (old)stable repository in his sources? If (s)he has no package