Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:33:04PM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > What does that do exactly? Send a report to mozilla? > Will they actually put pressure on websites to fix this? They have an evangelist team supposed to do that, yes. Now, reading [1] it is not clear whether they use stuff from the b

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Eric Dorland
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 03:48:32AM -0400, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > * Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > E

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Joey Hess
I'm not suprised that these sites are known. My point is that our users devote a significant amount of traffic (I generally only picked on message from each thread) to figuring out how to work around them. Mike Hommey wrote: > even bother? And again, how is this even relevant as to whether > icewe

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:24:59PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > Now, for something relevant, do you really want me to get started with > crash reports ? It seems I should have read the bug backlog... Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : > > Cool, are you finally willing t

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:39:32AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > The fact is users don't *always* have to set this, because far from all > > websites require it. If so many users were impacted, we would be drowned > > under piles of bug reports about this issue, yet, there is onl

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > The fact is users don't *always* have to set this, because far from all > websites require it. If so many users were impacted, we would be drowned > under piles of bug reports about this issue, yet, there is only a few of > them (only one, iirc). A few user reports of sites t

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 03:48:32AM -0400, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > > * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > > Well I think Google gene

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-25 Thread Eric Dorland
* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > > * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Eric Dorland wrote: > > > > Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent > > > > properly. > > > > > > Not in the case of m

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 02:12:15AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ? > > > > > > The only reason to include a browser other than th

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 02:12:15AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > Mike Hommey wrote: > > > > Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ? > > > > > > The only reason to include a browser other than th

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Mike Hommey wrote: > > > Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ? > > > > The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde > > browser is to include a browser that people pre

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ? > > The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde > browser is to include a browser that people prefer over those. My > impression

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:50:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Mike Hommey wrote: > > We have plenty other browsers that are not Firefox and don't try to > > claim to be Firefox... > > Tasksel does not include those other web browsers in the desktop task. > If iceweasel is not intended to be the clo

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > We have plenty other browsers that are not Firefox and don't try to > claim to be Firefox... Tasksel does not include those other web browsers in the desktop task. If iceweasel is not intended to be the closet approximation of firefox that debian can provide, there's really no

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Joey Hess
Mike Hommey wrote: > Is the purpose of tasksel to include firefox or a browser ? The only reason to include a browser other than the default gnome/kde browser is to include a browser that people prefer over those. My impression is that firefox is currently that browser. -- see shy jo signature

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:08AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Eric Dorland wrote: > > > Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent > > > properly. > > > > Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden > >

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-24 Thread Eric Dorland
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland wrote: > > Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent > > properly. > > Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden > in iceweasel, can in firefox. > > > > I'm afraid that documenting it in REA

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-23 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 11:50 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > > If you use gnome, it will always be pulled by epiphany-extensions > > > anyway. > > > > It seemed to me that epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko, but > > that epiphany-browser was not pulled in by th

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 23 juin 2008 à 11:50 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > If you use gnome, it will always be pulled by epiphany-extensions > > anyway. > > It seemed to me that epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko, but > that epiphany-browser was not pulled in by that. The epiphany-browser package on

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-23 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > > # May not get installed unless forced, if some other browser satisfies the > > # dependency, so force it. > > epiphany-browser > > > > This comment, and bug #370098 still seem to apply. g-d-e depends on: > > epiphany-browser (>= 2.22.2) | gnome-www-browser, > > icewea

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 juin 2008 à 22:54 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > I checked every package in tasksel's current gnome task to ensure it > was still being pulled in using the new meta-gnome2 and the new task... > # several packages recommend this, make sure it's available in case > # things that depend

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-23 Thread Fabian Greffrath
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort: Or add brasero and drop serpentine. brasero is really nice and intuitive IMHO. +1 for brasero. While serpentine can do nothing more than burning audio CDs, brasero can also burn data CDs and DVDs. Additionally it has a more common look if compared with NERO, which is

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-22 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 22:32 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > > The current version can be found there: > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome2/debian/control.in?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 > > I have just uploaded meta-gnome2 2.22.2~2 to NEW (bec

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 22:32 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > The current version can be found there: > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/meta-gnome2/debian/control.in?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 I have just uploaded meta-gnome2 2.22.2~2 to NEW (because of the new gnome-accessibilit

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-16 Thread Joey Hess
Eric Dorland wrote: > Well I think Google generally does treat the Iceweasel user agent > properly. Not in the case of maps.google.com, where the sidebar cannot be hidden in iceweasel, can in firefox. > > I'm afraid that documenting it in README.Debian won't help desktop users > > who just find t

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 04:29:43AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: > * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Eric Dorland wrote: > > > So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at > > > http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against > > > user-agent insanity. We could of

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-16 Thread Eric Dorland
* Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Eric Dorland wrote: > > So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at > > http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against > > user-agent insanity. We could of course make it say Firefox easily, > > but this certainly seems a bit de

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-10 Thread Joey Hess
Eric Dorland wrote: > So the user agent thing is fairly well documented at > http://bugs.debian.org/399633, but basically it's our stand against > user-agent insanity. We could of course make it say Firefox easily, > but this certainly seems a bit defeatist. s/defeatist/defeated/ I realized this

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 09 juin 2008 à 18:59 +0200, Per Olofsson a écrit : > Eric Dorland wrote: > > As to whether to include Iceweasel over epiphany (or whatever) in the > > gnome task, that's probably the gnome team's call. However, Iceweasel > > is clearly the more popular one and 3.0 does have better integrat

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-09 Thread Per Olofsson
Eric Dorland wrote: > As to whether to include Iceweasel over epiphany (or whatever) in the > gnome task, that's probably the gnome team's call. However, Iceweasel > is clearly the more popular one and 3.0 does have better integration > with Gnome (at least look at feel wise). FWIW, Iceweasel 3.0

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-08 Thread Eric Dorland
[+pkg-mozilla-maintainers] * Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : > > > I think providing multiple alternatives for same task confuses the user. > > > > Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel fro

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 13:27 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor, > > while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is > > not, but I can easily change that). > > I prefer not to have multiple choices of pr

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : > > I think providing multiple alternatives for same task confuses the user. > > Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop > task then? I won't try to argue with gnome people abou

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : >> > Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop >> > task then? >> >> I'd say to drop epiphany. Iceweasel/Firefox are the expected ones. > > Firefox is ages be

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > The complete GNOME desktop environment as shipped by GNOME (modulo > tomboy) is gnome-desktop-environment. In gnome we provide extras that > are chosen by Debian to make it the best desktop experience we can. > Which is obviously what you should also want with the gnome-de

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Joey Hess
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Or add brasero and drop serpentine. brasero is really nice and intuitive IMHO. I realize that every gnome user has a different opinion about which CD burner to use, but my understanding, which is borne out by popcon, is that brasero is only relatively close to the t

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:04 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : > > Cool, are you finally willing to drop iceweasel from the gnome-desktop > > task then? > > I'd say to drop epiphany. Iceweasel/Firefox are the expected ones. Firefox is ages behind Epiphany when it comes to desktop integration. Jus

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : >> > It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor, >> > while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is >> > not, but I can easily chang

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 10:24 -0300, Otavio Salvador a écrit : > > It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor, > > while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is > > not, but I can easily change that). > > I think providing multiple alternativ

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Otavio Salvador
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Beginners expect to be able to open all the microsoft documents they get >> and have them work well, and have an uber-bloated word processor that >> looks similar to the MS tools, which is why everyone uses OOo. > > It does not prevent us from shipp

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:05 +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : > > Here's some data about the desktop task (installed size using network > > mirror): > > Sarge: 1392 MB (included GNOME _and_ KDE) > > Etch: 1360 MB (GNOME only) > > Lenny: 1857 MB (GNOME

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word > processor, [...] I'm afraid it does because adding a second word processor would move e.g. some localization tasks off the first CD images, which is not an acceptable trade-off. He

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 03 juin 2008 à 12:05 +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : > Here's some data about the desktop task (installed size using network > mirror): > Sarge: 1392 MB (included GNOME _and_ KDE) > Etch: 1360 MB (GNOME only) > Lenny: 1857 MB (GNOME only) As a side note, it would be interesting to know how m

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > There's a fundamental difference between the gnome package and the > gnome-desktop task. The former is the complere gnome desktop environment > with all extras, as shipped by gnome, while the latter attempts to be > the best gnome-based des

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-02 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Joey Hess wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: >> * serpentine: we set it as the default application to burn audio >> CDs. > [in gnome-desktop task] >> * gnomebaker: its functionality is mostly covered by having both >> nautilus-cd-burner and serpentine. > > Ok, if this com

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-02 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Package: tasksel > Version: 2.74.2 > Severity: wishlist > > Hi, > > I think it is time to wonder what should go in the default GNOME > installation for the lenny release. > > Currently, the "gnome-desktop" task consists of the > "gnome-desktop-environment" metapackage (

Bug#484121: tasksel: let's sync on the GNOME task

2008-06-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Package: tasksel Version: 2.74.2 Severity: wishlist Hi, I think it is time to wonder what should go in the default GNOME installation for the lenny release. Currently, the "gnome-desktop" task consists of the "gnome-desktop-environment" metapackage (official GNOME release) plus a number of extra