Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Marco D'Itri wrote: I do, and I stand by my opinion: the package license is intended to be applied to everything, and pretending otherwise is useless pedantry. Modern copyright law, unfortunately, demands pedantry. If you think it's useless, that's your opinion, but as far as I can tell that'

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Russ Allbery wrote: While it would be nice to clean up this sort of thing just to avoid future confusion, this doesn't strike me as a serious problem worthy of removing the software from Debian unless the upstream copyright holders indicate that they really had intended to offer no license for th

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 15, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You apparenly don't understand the difference between a license and a > copyright notice. I do, and I stand by my opinion: the package license is intended to be applied to everything, and pretending otherwise is useless pedantry. -- ciao,

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Marco D'Itri wrote: No, maybe it's you who do not understand english, or probably just like armchair lawyering. Please stop being rude when you're wrong. You apparenly don't understand the difference between a license and a copyright notice. Actually, it's quite possible the authors of NTP d

Bug#328200: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Bob Proulx
Matthew Garrett wrote: > Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are several files that are BSD with advertising clause, including > > libntp/memmove.c, libntp/mktime.c, libntp/random.c, libntp/strerror.c, > > libntp/strstr.c, ntpd/refclock_jupiter.c, and ntpd/refclock_mx4200.c. > > These

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 15, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I see nothing wrong libparse/*, just because the files have an > >extra warranty disclaimer it does not mean that the package license does > >not apply. > > Then you don't understand copyright law. > The package copyright notice and licens

Bug#328200: Re: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I've just been through the ntp source tree looking at all the copyright and license assertions. Executive summary is that there are indeed some problems, but it's not bad, and I believe it can be fixed with an upload that elides certain bits from the upstream sources

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Justin Pryzby
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 01:02:51AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:03:36 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > > > What are you going to replace it with? AFAIK, ntp is the only package > > we have in Debian which supports useful clock synchronization, which > > is essential for a nu

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:03:36 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > What are you going to replace it with? AFAIK, ntp is the only package > we have in Debian which supports useful clock synchronization, which > is essential for a number of other services (e.g., Kerberos). Isn't chrony a possible replacem

Bug#328200: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The file util/ansi2knr.c is also GPL. I'm pretty sure it's unused, but > an easy reference in debian/copyright would cover it. This may be a problem if it is used, as: > There are several files that are BSD with advertising clause, including > libntp/me

Bug#328200: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Bdale Garbee
On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 00:03 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The maintainers should have a chance to clear up this question first. Ok, I've just been through the ntp source tree looking at all the copyright and license assertions. Executive summary is that there are indeed some problems, but it's

Bug#328200: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Bdale Garbee
On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 00:03 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The maintainers should have a chance to clear up this question first. I'll have a look at it today. Bdale -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#328200: [debian-ntp] Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Jochen Friedrich
Hi Matthijs, >> I've never tested openntpd, but it is the obvious replacement in case >> of legal problems with ntp and it has been released with sarge. > > I use openntpd and that works better then ntp IMHO. Last time i checked, - it doesn't support attached clocks, so no stratum 1 - it only se

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Matthijs Mohlmann
George Danchev wrote: On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:03, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:07:30AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: I just discovered that the ntp source is a nest of licensing problems. The arlib subdir isn't distributable. Neither is the entire libparse subd

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 10:03, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:07:30AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > I just discovered that the ntp source is a nest of licensing problems. > > > > The arlib subdir isn't distributable. > > Neither is the entire libparse subdir, or anyt

Bug#328200: Problems with ntp

2005-09-14 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 01:07:30AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > I just discovered that the ntp source is a nest of licensing problems. > The arlib subdir isn't distributable. > Neither is the entire libparse subdir, or anything else by Frank Kardel. > I'm not actually sure it will build witho