Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > I recently had a case which made me looking into this and Carsten Hey > pointed me to that specific bug report here. > Has there been any progress on this? > I mean we already use LSB init script headers for dependency based > booting... > Many scripts alread

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > 1) Right now, init-scripts, as well as cron-scripts are configuration > files, right? Yes. Nearly everything in /etc is a configuration file. > I (personally) rarely seen that one really needs to modify an > initscript. I frequently need to modify init scrip

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-08-01 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey Russ and others :) I've thought about that issue a little bit again,... and have to further points which might be worth discussion: 1) Right now, init-scripts, as well as cron-scripts are configuration files, right? I guess that made a lot of sense, when initscripts where a) much easier, b

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-30 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:51:40 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Please see the bug log for this bug. It was the first thing that everyone > objected to. I read that... and seen no real technical arguments,... just "it would break things"... and the "argument" that many packages would need to support th

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:58 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I think LSB exit codes are by far the most controversial part of the LSB >> proposal, are of dubious utility, > What are the arguments against them? Please see the bug log for this bug. It was the firs

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:58 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think LSB exit codes are by far the most controversial part of the LSB > proposal, are of dubious utility, What are the arguments against them? > and would mean declaring most of Debian > init scripts currently buggy. That makes ever intr

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:14 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> This is a design principle and design goal for Debian that goes beyond >> just init scripts. Having a package removed but not purged should not >> cause errors, send the administrator mail from cron jobs

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey Russ... On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 15:14 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > It's normal in Debian for init scripts to be left behind after packages > are removed, since Debian's package management system retains > configuration files by default (which includes init scripts). This is > true across a wide

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Russ Allbery
Christoph Anton Mitterer writes: > btw: Perhaps someone can explain me, when the Policy requests: >> These scripts should not fail obscurely when the configuration files >> remain but the package has been removed, as configuration files remain >> on the system after the package has been removed.

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
btw: Perhaps someone can explain me, when the Policy requests: >These scripts should not fail obscurely when the configuration files >remain but the package has been removed, as configuration files remain >on the system after the package has been removed. I mean are there any special technical rea

Bug#208010: Require init.d scripts comply with LSB

2010-07-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi folks. I recently had a case which made me looking into this and Carsten Hey pointed me to that specific bug report here. Has there been any progress on this? I mean we already use LSB init script headers for dependency based booting... Many scripts already have the status action (and then