Bug#727708: Re: Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal - Don't like software, don't use it. Absolutely.

2014-01-29 Thread ChaosEsque Team
>If you don't like the software, don't use it. Absolutely. But that is not really an option that is to be afforded to all of us if the systemd guys successfully have their way with linux. It would be nice if they afforded us such a freedom, but their statements and their actions suggest that t

Bug#727708: Re: Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal

2014-01-29 Thread ChaosEsque Team
This sounds like a good solution, since MATE is the gnome we all knew, and the Gnome of today is a different beast entirely (though it gets to keep the name). :: >Hum, we can always add “remove GNOME (3) from Debian” to the >list of GR or TC points to consider (this *has* been suggested >earlier,

Bug#727708: Re: Re: Bug#727708: multiple init systems: We have to see it for what it is: Lennart/Linux OS. Yes it is.

2014-01-29 Thread ChaosEsque Team
s, >-- >.''`.Josselin Mouette On Wed, 1/29/14, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Subject: Re: Bug#727708: Re: Re: Bug#727708: multiple init systems: We have to see it for what it is: Lennart/Linux OS. Yes it is. To: "ChaosEsq

Bug#727708: multiple init systems: We have to see it for what it is: Lennart/Linux OS. Not.

2014-01-29 Thread ChaosEsque Team
>This bug discussion is already quite long and protracted, and it would be >easier for those following it if strategic discussions of how to drive the >future of Linux could be moved to other, more appropriate forums where >they have a better chance of finding their audience. It's either Lennarts

Bug#727708: Re: Re: Bug#727708: multiple init systems: We have to see it for what it is: Lennart/Linux OS. Yes it is.

2014-01-29 Thread ChaosEsque Team
Ah, you're a systemd acolyte. You smugly proclaim that it is USELESS to resist! :: >Forking every package that depends on systemd is pointless. If you read what I wrote you would see that I said fork everything below/or above (whatever "software stack" direction you believe in) the linux kernel,

Bug#727708: multiple init systems: We have to see it for what it is: Lennart/Linux OS.

2014-01-28 Thread ChaosEsque Team
We have to see it for what it is. Lennart Pottering and his acolytes who work within other projects are essentially forking Gnu/Linux and are creating LennartOS. What should be done is to follow their often spoken refrain: fork every project that relies on systemd, xyzkit, LennartStuff: create X.o