On Oct 17 15:51, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Oct 17 09:16, Charles Wilson wrote:
> The problem is that Bruno tries to impose Windows over Cygwin. That's
> not what Cygwin is about. Why can't he accept that?
>
> > [*] Bruno's "option a"
> > > a) The system can set environment variables that ref
On Oct 17 09:16, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 10/17/2011 2:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Oct 16 14:42, Charles Wilson wrote:
> >>2) Fixes to the test suite related to the above changes.
> >>
> >>3) Adopted Bruno's upstream changes to relocatable.c, turning off
> >>"expensive" relocation suppor
On 10/17/2011 2:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Oct 16 14:42, Charles Wilson wrote:
2) Fixes to the test suite related to the above changes.
3) Adopted Bruno's upstream changes to relocatable.c, turning off
"expensive" relocation support in libintl.
Odds of #1 and #2 being adopted upstream a
On Oct 16 14:42, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 12:54 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
> >Consensus does appear to be unanimous on what to do; I just need to
> >review all the postings and figure out exactly /how/ to do it.
>
> I have uploaded the new packages. There are three new patches:
>
> 1
On 10/11/2011 12:54 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
Consensus does appear to be unanimous on what to do; I just need to
review all the postings and figure out exactly /how/ to do it.
I have uploaded the new packages. There are three new patches:
1) modified localename.c significantly. No longer "i
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:54:34PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote:
>Consensus does appear to be unanimous on what to do; I just need to
>review all the postings and figure out exactly /how/ to do it.
I don't envy you. :-)
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On 10/10/2011 1:23 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> Chuck, ping?
> Please consider to provide a new libintl/gettext without this bug soon.
I plan to *start* that process Wednesday night. It takes many hours to
complete and validate -- so, I should have it by this weekend.
Consensus does appear to be
On 10/10/2011 7:23 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
Chuck, ping?
On Oct 5 14:23, Ken Brown wrote:
On 10/5/2011 1:31 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2011 12:27 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
On Oct 4 20:03, E
Chuck, ping?
On Oct 5 14:23, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 10/5/2011 1:31 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
> >On 10/5/2011 12:27 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
> >>>Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
> On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
> >By
Greetings, Corinna Vinschen!
>> IIRC, that discussion occurred before the 'locale' application (was
>> written|got smarter). Sure, I think C.UTF-8 should be the "default
>> default" but the arguments in favor of respecting the users' own Windows
>> i18n settings make sense.
> Does it? Even if I
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 01:50:33PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
>On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 14:23 -0400, Ken Brown wrote:
>> I think you're mixing two questions that should be kept separate. The
>> first is how /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should set LANG. That's a
>> question that the Cygwin dev
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 14:23 -0400, Ken Brown wrote:
> I think you're mixing two questions that should be kept separate. The
> first is how /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should set LANG. That's a
> question that the Cygwin developers and/or base-files maintainer need to
> decide.
Agreed. There
Ken Brown schreef, Op 5-10-2011 20:23:
I think you're mixing two questions that should be kept separate. The
first is how /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should set LANG. That's a
question that the Cygwin developers and/or base-files maintainer need
to decide. The second is whether libintl sh
On Oct 5 14:23, Ken Brown wrote:
> I don't recall any complaints from Cygwin users about C.UTF-8 being
> the default, but there have already been several complaints about
> the new behavior of libintl.
Good point.
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On Oct 5 13:31, Charles Wilson wrote:
> The other is the issue that spawned this thread, which raised questions
> about how basefiles::/etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} should behave, and
> other related complexities. IIRC we reached an impasse with this
> subthread (and replies):
> http://cygwin.com/
On 10/5/2011 1:31 PM, Charles Wilson wrote:
On 10/5/2011 12:27 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
By the way, I noticed that with the default locale C.UTF-8 the
nl_langin
On 10/5/2011 12:27 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
>> Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
>>> On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
By the way, I noticed that with the default locale C.UTF-8 the
nl_langinfo(CODESET) C function returns
Op 5-10-2011 18:27, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
That's a bug in libintl8 0.18.1.1-1. It does not happen with the
previous version 0.17-11. Hopefully this gets fixed ASAP. Corinna
OK, thanks.
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On Oct 5 18:04, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
> Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
> >On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
> >>By the way, I noticed that with the default locale C.UTF-8 the
> >>nl_langinfo(CODESET) C function returns wrongly
> >>"ISO-8859-1",
> >Not for me:
> >[...]
>
Op 4-10-2011 20:20, Corinna Vinschen schreef:
On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
Corinna Vinschen schreef, Op 4-10-2011 16:29:
Does it? Even if I'm running a german OS, I absolutely hate to see
german diagnostic output from gcc, and I absolutely hate certain
programs using non-ASCII char
On 10/4/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wilson wrote:
However, one issue is that windows basically will always have SOME
setting -- even if just "English". Which would cause locale to report
'en_US' or something. So you'd never actually SEE the "default default"
of C.UTF-8 take effect.
You'd see it if
On Oct 4 20:03, Erwin Waterlander wrote:
> Corinna Vinschen schreef, Op 4-10-2011 16:29:
> >Does it? Even if I'm running a german OS, I absolutely hate to see
> >german diagnostic output from gcc, and I absolutely hate certain
> >programs using non-ASCII chars in output. (In)famous examples are
>
Corinna Vinschen schreef, Op 4-10-2011 16:29:
Does it? Even if I'm running a german OS, I absolutely hate to see
german diagnostic output from gcc, and I absolutely hate certain
programs using non-ASCII chars in output. (In)famous examples are
Unicode quoting chars rather than ' or ", or using
On Oct 4 08:45, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 10/4/2011 8:28 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > On Sep 13 09:45, Eric Blake wrote:
> >> Given this, I think the bug is in cygwin for having base files
> >> /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} which hardcode LANG to C.UTF-8 instead
> >> of using locale -s -u to de
On 10/4/2011 8:28 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> On Sep 13 09:45, Eric Blake wrote:
>> Given this, I think the bug is in cygwin for having base files
>> /etc/profile.d/lang.{sh,csh} which hardcode LANG to C.UTF-8 instead
>> of using locale -s -u to default LANG to the preferred Windows
>> settings.
On Sep 13 09:45, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
> >>The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design
> >>decision.
> >
> >Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin-apps mailing
> >list.
>
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 05:49:54PM -0400, Ken Brown wrote:
> On 9/17/2011 4:40 PM, David Sastre wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> >>On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >>>On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
> The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not
On 9/17/2011 4:40 PM, David Sastre wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design decision.
Exactly. And it has been d
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:45:37AM -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
> >>The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design
> >>decision.
> >
> >Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin
On 09/09/2011 08:59 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design decision.
Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin-apps mailing
list.
And above all, there *is* an official way for the user
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 06:10:15PM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>* Christopher Faylor (Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:49:50 -0400)
>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:44:44PM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>> > Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:09:04 +0200)
>> >> It is not at all the task of libintl to override th
* Christopher Faylor (Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:49:50 -0400)
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:44:44PM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> > Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:09:04 +0200)
> >> It is not at all the task of libintl to override the underlying OS,
> >> and in the case of Cygwin, the underlying OS i
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:44:44PM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>* Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:09:04 +0200)
>> It is not at all the task of libintl to override the underlying OS,
>> and in the case of Cygwin, the underlying OS is Cygwin, not Windows.
>
>Pardon me?
>"Cygwin is:
>a collecti
* Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:09:04 +0200)
> It is not at all the task of libintl to override the underlying OS,
> and in the case of Cygwin, the underlying OS is Cygwin, not Windows.
Pardon me?
"Cygwin is:
a collection of tools which provide a Linux look and feel environment
for Windows
* Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:59:21 +0200)
> And above all, there *is* an official way for the user to align the
> Cygwin locale with the Windows locale [...]
Misses the point. Users who chose to have a specific language
environment most likely want to have this choice of language for al
On 9 September 2011 16:13, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 9/9/2011 8:33 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 9 September 2011 10:18, Charles Wilson wrote:
>>> #2, some older versions of the base-files startup
>>> scripts (/etc/profile, /etc/skel/.*, and the like) used to set LANG or
>>> LC_* IIRC. However, the
On 9 September 2011 16:09, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> Hi Bruno,
>
> On Sep 8 22:56, Bruno Haible wrote:
>> > Do NOT call Windows functions in Cygwin libraries, unless
>> > the lib is doing something very special which isn't provided by POSIX
>> > functions. Only call POSIX functions. Don't mix th
On 9/9/2011 8:33 AM, Andy Koppe wrote:
> On 9 September 2011 10:18, Charles Wilson wrote:
>> #2, some older versions of the base-files startup
>> scripts (/etc/profile, /etc/skel/.*, and the like) used to set LANG or
>> LC_* IIRC. However, they no longer do so
>
> Actually, that is still done, in
Hi Bruno,
On Sep 8 22:56, Bruno Haible wrote:
> > Do NOT call Windows functions in Cygwin libraries, unless
> > the lib is doing something very special which isn't provided by POSIX
> > functions. Only call POSIX functions. Don't mix the Cygwin and the
> > Windows environment. Please leave the
On Sep 9 13:33, Andy Koppe wrote:
> The 'C.UTF-8' default locale is not a bug, it was a deliberate design
> decision.
Exactly. And it has been discussed a lot on the cygwin-apps mailing
list.
And above all, there *is* an official way for the user to align the
Cygwin locale with the Windows loc
On 9 September 2011 10:18, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 9/8/2011 5:44 PM, Bruno Haible wrote:
>> Find below a patch which ought to fix this. But it has upsides and downsides.
>> The upside: It treats LC_ALL, LC_$category, LANG consistently, like POSIX
>> wants it.
>
> Consistently, yes. Correctly...
On 9/8/2011 5:44 PM, Bruno Haible wrote:
> Find below a patch which ought to fix this. But it has upsides and downsides.
> The upside: It treats LC_ALL, LC_$category, LANG consistently, like POSIX
> wants it.
Consistently, yes. Correctly...no. You said earlier:
"Users who want to have a German
Andy Koppe wrote:
> Cygwin isn't Windows; it's a POSIX environment on top of Windows.
> Taking the Regional Settings control panel into account might well
> make sense, but it ought to be left to the Cygwin developers to decide
> on this and implement it centrally.
And it is the duty of the gettex
Hello Corinna,
Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > After Cygwin 1.7 added working locales and defined LANG=C.UTF-8 for all
> > users,
> > libintl could be extended to respect the choices the user has made in the
> > system control panels.
>
> That's the wrong approach.
Before discussing the technical d
[from vacation]
On Sep 8 12:46, Bruno Haible wrote:
> After Cygwin 1.7 added working locales and defined LANG=C.UTF-8 for all users,
> libintl could be extended to respect the choices the user has made in the
> system control panels.
That's the wrong approach. As I wrote in an earlier message w
[from vacation]
On Sep 8 12:46, Bruno Haible wrote:
> After Cygwin 1.7 added working locales and defined LANG=C.UTF-8 for all users,
> libintl could be extended to respect the choices the user has made in the
> system control panels.
That's the wrong approach. As I wrote in an earlier message w
On 09/08/2011 01:47 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
On 8 September 2011 13:04, Charles Wilson wrote:
On 9/8/2011 6:46 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
There is nothing to "fix". Users who don't want internationalization system-wide
can set their locale in the "Regional Settings" control panel to English.
Users wh
[Resend with missing cc to gettext list.]
On 8 September 2011 13:04, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 9/8/2011 6:46 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
>> There is nothing to "fix". Users who don't want internationalization
>> system-wide
>> can set their locale in the "Regional Settings" control panel to English.
On 8 September 2011 13:04, Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 9/8/2011 6:46 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
>> There is nothing to "fix". Users who don't want internationalization
>> system-wide
>> can set their locale in the "Regional Settings" control panel to English.
>> Users who want to have a German Windows
On 9/8/2011 6:46 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
> There is nothing to "fix". Users who don't want internationalization
> system-wide
> can set their locale in the "Regional Settings" control panel to English.
> Users who want to have a German Windows but a non-internationalized Cygwin can
> set LANG=C or
On 09/08/2011 11:46 AM, Bruno Haible wrote:
Bernhard Voelker wrote:
Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
$ mkdir -v x0
mkdir: Verzeichnis „x0“ angelegt
$ LANG=C mkdir -v x2
mkdir: created directory `x2'
$ LANG=C.UTF-8 mkdir -v x1
mkdir: Verzeichnis „x1“ angelegt
Bruno Haible wrote:
> > Bernhard Voelker wrote:
> > > Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
> > >
> > > $ mkdir -v x0
> > > mkdir: Verzeichnis „x0“ angelegt
> > > $ LANG=C mkdir -v x2
> > > mkdir: created directory `x2'
> > > $ LANG=C.UTF-8 mkdir -v x1
> > > mkdir: Ver
Bernhard Voelker wrote:
> > Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
> >
> > $ mkdir -v x0
> > mkdir: Verzeichnis „x0“ angelegt
> > $ LANG=C mkdir -v x2
> > mkdir: created directory `x2'
> > $ LANG=C.UTF-8 mkdir -v x1
> > mkdir: Verzeichnis „x1“ angelegt
> >
> > Defau
[for the bug-gnu-gettext list, this thread started here:
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-08/msg00506.html
and was posted immediately after the release of gettext-0.18.1.1 for
cygwin (which had not been updated since 0.17).
On 30.08.2011 06:18, Voelker, Bernhard wrote:
> Starting with today's upda
Charles Wilson wrote:
> On 8/31/2011 10:00 AM, Charles Wilson wrote:
> > Yes: please "restore" your system so that it's breaking, again, and then
> > send (as an attachment) the output of 'cygcheck -svr'.
cygcheck.out.gz attached.
> > Also, what are your existing Windows "Regional and Language Op
On 8/31/2011 10:00 AM, Charles Wilson wrote:
> Yes: please "restore" your system so that it's breaking, again, and then
> send (as an attachment) the output of 'cygcheck -svr'.
>
> Also, what are your existing Windows "Regional and Language Options" set
> to in the Control Panel?
In addition, wha
On 8/31/2011 4:39 AM, Voelker, Bernhard wrote:
> only gettext is installed, the others not, but ... BINGO!
>
> $ mkdir -v x0
> mkdir: created directory `x0'
>
> So gettext is the culprit. Need more?
Yes: please "restore" your system so that it's breaking, again, and then
send (as an attachment)
Charles Wilson wrote:
>On 8/30/2011 6:18 AM, Voelker, Bernhard wrote:
>> Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
>...
>> Ok, the PC is in Germany, but none of my environment
>> variables have a 'de' inside.
>
>Hmmm.
>
>> Any hints?
>
>Try rolling back
> libiconv, libiconv2,
On 8/30/2011 6:18 AM, Voelker, Bernhard wrote:
> Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
...
> Ok, the PC is in Germany, but none of my environment
> variables have a 'de' inside.
Hmmm.
> Any hints?
Try rolling back
libiconv, libiconv2, and libcharset
from 1.14-1 to 1.13.
Starting with today's update, cygwin started speaking German:
$ mkdir -v x0
mkdir: Verzeichnis „x0“ angelegt
$ LANG=C mkdir -v x2
mkdir: created directory `x2'
$ LANG=C.UTF-8 mkdir -v x1
mkdir: Verzeichnis „x1“ angelegt
Default is LANG=C.UTF-8 here.
Ok, the PC is in Germany, but none of
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