Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith
Those are 2 different paths to the same goal. Just to clarify my "goal" Painless development and deployment of software across Linux and Windows. Both open-source and commercial. Which, for me is already 95% there with Cygwin, and possibly even 98% there with Cygwin+Mingw Che

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Max Bowsher
Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith wrote: > Fair enough, I like using Cygwin-the-environment, but > feel restricted in terms of deploying binaries into > a non-cygwin environment. Even though the Cygwin > installation procedure has been greatly enhanced and > streamlined, in my opinion Cygwin is too heav

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Joshua Daniel Franklin
> > The source tarball for cygwin is 4.6M. I don't understand why this > > is a huge hardship but, frankly, I don't really care. > 4.6 MB times how many versions will I need to keep around? Before I removed > them from the Hercules site, I had four sets of the Cygwin DLLs, > corresponding to four

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Jay Maynard
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:34:36AM +0100, Ronald Landheer-Cieslak wrote: > The way I read GPL (but please correct me if I'm wrong) you should be able > to write a fork off the current Setup that installs the Hercules and gets > the Cygwin from one of the mirrors (of which you can download the lis

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith
Technically, the ideal solution would be to link against a set of static libraries. I believe this would require some significant work to make it possible. OK, it feels like we're getting into a circular argument. I am not insisting that anyone do any particular thing to Cygwin. My inten

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-06 Thread Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
The way I read GPL (but please correct me if I'm wrong) you should be able to write a fork off the current Setup that installs the Hercules and gets the Cygwin from one of the mirrors (of which you can download the list at the time of installing from cygwin.com). Technically, you would not be d

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Robert Collins
On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 05:55, Jay Maynard wrote: > > A setup.ini with just the cygwin DLL in it seems pretty simple. > > True. OTOH, when setup.exe changes, the format of that file is subject to > change (see Igor's warning in the message where he first suggested that). I > can insulate myself fr

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Franz Wolfhagen
One of the things that your users have been bitten of with the newer cygwin1.dll is that they impose a stronger authentication mechanism (ntsec is on per default). This is often brought up here by users that are have upgraded their version. Please (re)consider supporting a cygwin package via the

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
Cutting through the noise: 1) In an open source, volunteer project there are no guarantees that anything will be fixed. We do the best we can given our interests and time. However, you should be reporting cygwin bugs to the cygwin mailing list if you want the possibility of getting them

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:55:43PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:18:22AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: > >It may be intended to be upward compatible, but that's not our experience. > Ok. I'm not going to start scouring random other mailing lists for > cygwin bug reports

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:31:15AM +1100, Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith wrote: >>I would suggest that, if it is desired to promote the development of >>applications on the Cygwin platform, serious consideration be made to >>making it as simple as possible to install only those portions of >>Cygwin th

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:18:22AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: >On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:32:46PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:48:03PM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: >> >On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:31:43PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: >> >>Remember that linking against

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Max Bowsher
Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith wrote: >> I would suggest that, if it is desired to promote the development of >> applications on the Cygwin platform, serious consideration be made >> to making it as simple as possible to install only those portions of >> Cygwin that the application requires. This mean

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith
I would suggest that, if it is desired to promote the development of applications on the Cygwin platform, serious consideration be made to making it as simple as possible to install only those portions of Cygwin that the application requires. This means just the necessary DLLs, without all of the

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:32:46PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:48:03PM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:31:43PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > >>Remember that linking against some version of libcygwin.a doesn't mean > >>you have to keep to

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Jay Maynard
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:12:02AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:39:45AM +1100, Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith wrote: > >>However, just in case you need to hear it, it is true that you have to > >>provide the sources for the cygwin DLL if you want to distribute it. > >T

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 12:39:45AM +1100, Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith wrote: >>However, just in case you need to hear it, it is true that you have to >>provide the sources for the cygwin DLL if you want to distribute it. > >There is always the MingW option via -mno-cygwin. (Perhaps stating the >ob

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-05 Thread Nigel Stewart & Fiona Smith
However, just in case you need to hear it, it is true that you have to provide the sources for the cygwin DLL if you want to distribute it. There is always the MingW option via -mno-cygwin. (Perhaps stating the obvious, but just in case...) http://www.mingw.org/ Regards, Nigel Stewart -

Re: Packaging software built with cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:48:03PM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: >On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:31:43PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: >>Now, hold on there, no need to jump the gun. I'm not what you may call >>"a definitive expert on Cygwin licensing". In fact, whatever that page >>says surely override

Re: Packaging software built with Cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:31:43PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > Now, hold on there, no need to jump the gun. I'm not what you may call "a > definitive expert on Cygwin licensing". In fact, whatever that page says > surely overrides what I said earlier. Okkay...that's what I'd been relying o

Re: Packaging software built with Cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Jay Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:27:39PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > > You are aware that linking against the Cygwin DLL automatically makes your > > software GPL'ed, right? > > Not according to http://cygwin.com/licensing.html: > > "In accordance with sect

Re: Packaging software built with Cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 06:27:39PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: > You are aware that linking against the Cygwin DLL automatically makes your > software GPL'ed, right? Not according to http://cygwin.com/licensing.html: "In accordance with section 10 of the GPL, Red Hat permits programs whose so

Re: Packaging software built with Cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Jay Maynard wrote: > This is probably an FAQ, but I haven't been able to find any answers on the > FAQ page at cygwin.com. > > I'm the maintainer of Hercules, an emulator for IBM mainframe systems that > runs on Linux, Mac OS X, and other Unix-style OSes, and Windows via Cygwin

Packaging software built with Cygwin

2003-02-04 Thread Jay Maynard
This is probably an FAQ, but I haven't been able to find any answers on the FAQ page at cygwin.com. I'm the maintainer of Hercules, an emulator for IBM mainframe systems that runs on Linux, Mac OS X, and other Unix-style OSes, and Windows via Cygwin. It's distributed under an OSD-compliant license