Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:25:36PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote: >Christopher Faylor wrote on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:31 PM: > >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>> On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote: --- snip --- 9. Deploying

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Dan Kegel
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I think 9.3 suggests a disagreement Yes, it accurately captures the disagreement that the Cygwin maintainers have with users that want to do this. Your replacement text isn't clear enough about the fact th

RE: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
Christopher Faylor wrote on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:31 PM: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote: >>> --- snip --- >>> >>> 9. Deploying Cygwin >>> >>> 9.1 I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer >>> s

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Andrew Schulman
> What is stow? http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/ Available as a Cygwin package. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread NightStrike
On 3/19/08, Andrew Schulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * When I want to test installing something myself for which there is > > no cygwin package supplied, and I don't want to break anything (nor am > > I able to backup the current cygwin root tree) > > We have /usr/local or /opt for that. Fur

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Brian Dessent
Dave Korn wrote: > Also don't forget to shutdown any running services when swapping over. Right, implicit in all of this is you shut down all instances of any open programs or files from one tree before switching to the other. Brian -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 04:25:36PM -, Dave Korn wrote: >Brian wrote on 19 March 2008 16:09: > >> NightStrike wrote: >> >> > If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how >> > (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?) >> >> I do this all the time, it's

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote: >> --- snip --- >> >> 9. Deploying Cygwin >> >> 9.1 I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer >> sites. How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin >> installed b

RE: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Dave Korn
Brian wrote on 19 March 2008 16:09: > NightStrike wrote: > > > If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how > > (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?) > > I do this all the time, it's trivial. You don't have to keep them in > sync, they can be total

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Brian Dessent
NightStrike wrote: > If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how > (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?) I do this all the time, it's trivial. You don't have to keep them in sync, they can be totally different versions. "umount -A" (create a mount

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Mar 19 08:08, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :) > > Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ? > > I can give it a whirl. Might take me a while, though... where >

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Dan Kegel
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :) > Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ? I can give it a whirl. Might take me a while, though... where is the FAQ source, again? -- Unsubscribe info:

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Andrew Schulman
> * When I want to test installing something myself for which there is > no cygwin package supplied, and I don't want to break anything (nor am > I able to backup the current cygwin root tree) We have /usr/local or /opt for that. Furthermore you can use stow to easily install and uninstall test p

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote: > --- snip --- > > 9. Deploying Cygwin > > 9.1 I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer > sites. How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin > installed by the user? > > A. Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-19 Thread NightStrike
On 3/19/08, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't assume that everyone who asks the question > is trying to cheat or bend the rules; I'm a pretty fierce It is true -- not everyone who wants multiple cygwins installed is a software packager trying to profit off of cygwin. I have found it be

RE: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Gary R. Van Sickle
> From: Dan Kegel > > Christopher Faylor wrote: > > I assume that they are either trying to 1) cheat, 2) bend > the rules, > > 3) not spend any time whatsoever worrying about the problem, or 4) > > become annoyed because they have thought about it for > thirty seconds > > and it seems li

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Dan Kegel
Christopher Faylor wrote: > I assume that they are either trying to 1) cheat, 2) bend the rules, 3) > not spend any time whatsoever worrying about the problem, or 4) become > annoyed because they have thought about it for thirty seconds and it > seems like we're purposely trying to punish them.

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 09:14:21PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: >:-) > >Seriously, though, something belongs in the FAQ >about this stuff, doesn't it?My third draft was >only one quarter satire; most of it was pretty straight >up. I can redraft it without the satire if you like. >Don't assume that

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Dan Kegel
:-) Seriously, though, something belongs in the FAQ about this stuff, doesn't it?My third draft was only one quarter satire; most of it was pretty straight up. I can redraft it without the satire if you like. Don't assume that everyone who asks the question is trying to cheat or bend the rule

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:30:43PM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > Adam Thompson wrote: >> On 18/03/2008, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>> So, we DON'T WANT people doing this. What we actually want a 3PP to do >>> is check if there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed >>> ver

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 05:37:09PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: >OK, third draft: > >Q. I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer >sites. How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin >installed by the user? > >A. Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
Adam Thompson wrote: On 18/03/2008, Christopher Faylor wrote: So, we DON'T WANT people doing this. What we actually want a 3PP to do is check if there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed version if it is a newer or conditionally upgrade if it is not. The problem with t

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Dan Kegel
OK, third draft: Q. I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer sites. How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin installed by the user? A. Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check if there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed v

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Adam Thompson
On 18/03/2008, Christopher Faylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, we DON'T WANT people doing this. What we actually want a 3PP to do > is check if there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed > version if it is a newer or conditionally upgrade if it is not. > The problem wi

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Eric Blake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 According to Dan Kegel on 3/18/2008 6:15 PM: | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> You somehow managed to get part of the message while tanking on the rest. | | OK, how's this look: | | Q. I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer | s

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Dan Kegel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You somehow managed to get part of the message while tanking on the rest. OK, how's this look: Q. I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer sites. How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin installed by the user? A. Cygwin is not d

Re: FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 02:15:58PM -0700, Dan Kegel wrote: >The last company I worked for tried bundling Cygwin (with sources, natch) >as part of a product. Predictably (to those who have tried this), >this caused big problems because it conflicted with any Cygwin >installed on customers' machines

FAQ suggestion

2008-03-18 Thread Dan Kegel
The last company I worked for tried bundling Cygwin (with sources, natch) as part of a product. Predictably (to those who have tried this), this caused big problems because it conflicted with any Cygwin installed on customers' machines. Looking at the archives, I see at least a couple other peopl