Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-24 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
DePriest, Jason R. wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Herb Maeder <> wrote: On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: -= lots and lots of things snipped =- Has anyone else gotten Herb's message 5 times (so far)? Or is it just me? This is always the answer to questions like thi

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Herb Maeder <> wrote: > On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: -= lots and lots of things snipped =- Has anyone else gotten Herb's message 5 times (so far)? Or is it just me? -Jason -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple P

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-23 Thread Herb Maeder
On 20 Oct 2008 11:53:19 PDT, "Manning, Sid" wrote: > Of course I needed an excuse to ask the question, surprised or curious > either would have sufficed. So the implementation of a GNU/Posix stack > over windows is expensive and that is understandable (I suffer from cross > platform headaches all

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Ralph Hempel
Manning, Sid wrote: I appreciate everyone's insight and I will definitely checkout Mecklenburg's make book to get hard stats on the differences. Mecklenburg's book is much better put to use as the definitive reference for make :-) Chapter 10 "Improving the Performance of make" pp182-195 is wh

RE: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Manning, Sid
> > "Manning, Sid" wrote: > > > >> I was surprised to see that I could compile much faster under VMware > >> than on Cygwin on the same host. > > > > Why is that surprising? > > Well, I can see why it might be surprising to anyone who isn't aware in > some > detail exactly /how/ much work Cygw

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Ralph Hempel
Mark J. Reed wrote: Long story short, this is probably not so much a Cygwin issue as general Windows issue... No, I think that's going too far. It's a mismatch between the Windows and UNIX process models, and the fact that compilation via make(1) is optimized for the latter. Agreed. I was

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Ralph Hempel wrote: > It looks like you're comparing compiling under Cygwin on the > host machine to compiling under Linux on a VMWare machine running > on the host and finding the second way faster. Shocking! > Long story short, this is probably not so much a Cyg

RE: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Korn
Brian Dessent wrote on 20 October 2008 18:30: > "Manning, Sid" wrote: > >> I was surprised to see that I could compile much faster under VMware >> than on Cygwin on the same host. > > Why is that surprising? Well, I can see why it might be surprising to anyone who isn't aware in some detai

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Brian Dessent
"Manning, Sid" wrote: > I was surprised to see that I could compile much faster under VMware than on > Cygwin on the same host. Why is that surprising? Cygwin and VMware work on entirely different principles. Plus your chosen benchmark essentially tests the two slowest aspects of Cygwin, proce

Re: Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Ralph Hempel
Manning, Sid wrote: I've been happily using cygwin for many years but I recently loaded VMware on my system and it seemed pretty snappy, so much so I decided to see how it compared to native execution. I was surprised to see that I could compile much faster under VMware than on Cygwin on the sam

Compile time Local Cygwin vs. VMware session on same system

2008-10-20 Thread Manning, Sid
I've been happily using cygwin for many years but I recently loaded VMware on my system and it seemed pretty snappy, so much so I decided to see how it compared to native execution.  I was surprised to see that I could compile much faster under VMware than on Cygwin on the same host.    I past