Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-05-28 Thread Watson Ladd
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Michael Rogers wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 28/05/14 10:54, Mansour Moufid wrote: >> On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 09:28 -0700, Tony Arcieri wrote: >> >>> There's an entire class of memory safety bugs which are possible >>> in C but not

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-05-28 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/05/14 10:54, Mansour Moufid wrote: > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 09:28 -0700, Tony Arcieri wrote: > >> There's an entire class of memory safety bugs which are possible >> in C but not possible in Rust. These also happen to be the class >> of bugs th

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-05-28 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 09:28 -0700, Tony Arcieri wrote: > There's an entire class of memory safety bugs which are possible in C but > not possible in Rust. These also happen to be the class of bugs that lead > to Heartbleed-like secret leakage or remote code execution vulnerabilities. It seems we'

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-05-15 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > JSON is a lot more than 10% better than ASN.1 or XML because both of the > latter are bjorked. XML prefixes are insane > And TLS isn't? ;) -- Tony Arcieri ___ cryptography mailing list cry

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-05-15 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > In general any proposal of the form 'lets replace X with something 10% > 'better'' is a losing proposition. Particularly when we are talking > about systems where network effects dominate such as protocols, APIs > and keyboard layouts[

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-25 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Friday, April 25, 2014, Marcus Brinkmann < marcus.brinkm...@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote: > There are also whole classes of bugs in memory-safe languages that can't > occur in C, for example anything related to garbage collection. > Rust doesn't have a garbage collector. It uses region typing so

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-25 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On 04/25/2014 06:28 PM, Tony Arcieri wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Peter Gutmann mailto:pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz>> wrote: As with "let's replace C with My Pet Programming Language", you can write crap in any language you want. The problem isn't the language There's an entir

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-25 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > As with "let's replace C with My Pet Programming Language", you can > write crap in any language you want. The problem isn't the language There's an entire class of memory safety bugs which are possible in C but not possible in Rust. These

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-25 Thread ianG
On 15/04/2014 21:07 pm, d...@deadhat.com wrote: >> http://clearcryptocode.org/tls/ >> >> Probably not going to happen, but it's nice to dream... >> > > It is one of my long term, implausible goals to replace TLS with a > collection of independent app to app function-targeted security protocols > t

Re: [cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tony Arcieri writes: >http://clearcryptocode.org/tls/ > >Probably not going to happen, but it's nice to dream... And it is a dream. This is another one of the "let's replace TLS with My Pet Secure Protocol and then we'll be safe", ignoring the fact that an implementation of MPSP can and will be

[cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-24 Thread Tony Arcieri
http://clearcryptocode.org/tls/ Probably not going to happen, but it's nice to dream... -- Tony Arcieri ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] Is it time for a revolution to replace TLS?

2014-04-24 Thread dj
> http://clearcryptocode.org/tls/ > > Probably not going to happen, but it's nice to dream... > It is one of my long term, implausible goals to replace TLS with a collection of independent app to app function-targeted security protocols that are individually simple enough to understand and impleme