PPS Personally speaking, if I were packaging Emacs for a distribution,
I'd remove info.info from the installed files, and (probably) make the
Emacs package depend on the (in comparison tiny) Info package that provides it.
(It seems to be basically an essential package anyway, on Red Hat at least).
On 18 October 2015 at 19:05, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Gavin Smith wrote:
>
>>> I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not.
>>> How are people on those systems supposed to learn how to use the
>>> stand-alone info reader?
>>
>> It has its own manual. It doesn't have a
Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Two packages fighting for the same file is bad.
Someone once told me that these things happen, and should be solved in
the packages, not the source.
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-03/msg01211.html
Glenn Morris wrote:
> ii) was solved two-years ago on RedHat-based systems in the rpm
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=927996#c11
PS I don't think that's a great solution, but I guess it's good enough.
So if there's any interest in Texinfo retaining info.info, then Andreas,
I suggest
Glenn Morris writes:
> i) doesn't occur on Debian-based systems
> (http://debbugs.gnu.org/14064#30)
Wrong. You get different behaviour depending on how you search for info
files.
> ii) was solved two-years ago on RedHat-based systems in the rpm
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=927
Gavin Smith wrote:
>> I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not.
>> How are people on those systems supposed to learn how to use the
>> stand-alone info reader?
>
> It has its own manual. It doesn't have a tutorial, though. This would
> have to be added. It should
On 17 October 2015 at 22:38, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Gavin Smith wrote:
>
>> I've removed it from Texinfo, for now. Unless it's changed back, the
>> file will not be present in the next Texinfo release.
>
> I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not.
> How are people
Gavin Smith wrote:
> I've removed it from Texinfo, for now. Unless it's changed back, the
> file will not be present in the next Texinfo release.
I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not.
How are people on those systems supposed to learn how to use the
stand-alo
On 15 October 2015 at 21:31, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Karl Berry writes:
>
>> It's fine with me for it to be maintained in texinfo, but if the Emacs
>> people are happy with that. Andreas?
>>
>> For myself, I don't actually care what happens, if anything - included
>> in Emacs, included in Texinf
On 15 October 2015 at 21:31, Andreas Schwab wrote:
> Karl Berry writes:
>
>> It's fine with me for it to be maintained in texinfo, but if the Emacs
>> people are happy with that. Andreas?
>>
>> For myself, I don't actually care what happens, if anything - included
>> in Emacs, included in Texinf
Karl Berry writes:
> It's fine with me for it to be maintained in texinfo, but if the Emacs
> people are happy with that. Andreas?
>
> For myself, I don't actually care what happens, if anything - included
> in Emacs, included in Texinfo, included in both, it's all the same to
> me. Whatever ev
Karl Berry wrote:
> The point is that nearly every other package in GNU uses fdl.texi (as
> far as I have seen). Why should Emacs use a different name for the
> file?
No reason other than history/inertia AFAIK. It's always been
"doclicense.texi", for ~ 13 years now.
If it really helps you, we could rename it.
Well, obviously it is not a stopper. I can edit the file when I import
it and ignore that difference.
We'll have to change 58 files, several of which also live in other
repositories.
The point is that nearly every other package in GNU use
Karl Berry wrote:
> +@include doclicense.texi
>
> How about naming the file fdl.texi, like virtually every other package does?
If it really helps you, we could rename it. We'll have to change 58
files, several of which also live in other repositories.
It won't make any difference to this is
No, you don't.
Evidently I messed up for texinfo 5.1. Sorry. Shoot me.
+@include doclicense.texi
How about naming the file fdl.texi, like virtually every other package does?
k
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) writes:
> I know. I keep them synced.
No, you don't.
--- texinfo-5.1/doc/info.texi 2013-02-19 23:25:28.0 +0100
+++ emacs-24.3/doc/misc/info.texi 2013-01-01 21:37:17.0 +0100
@@ -14,25 +14,18 @@
This file describes how to use Info, the on
Hi Glenn,
Why does it matter? It is the same file, just provided by two packages.
I know. I keep them synced. It's Andreas's request, not mine.
The current situation is totally not a problem in my own life, but I can
imagine it creating a discrepancy when there is version skew and a new
ve
PS AFAIK, the only reason it is in Emacs is because of MS Windows users.
I doubt anyone on POSIX platforms uses info pages without having texinfo
installed.
Karl Berry wrote:
> Both emacs and texinfo install the info.info info file. This needs to
> be resolved.
Why does it matter? It is the same file, just provided by two packages.
> Fine, I'll remove it from Texinfo, since in practice info.texi has been
> maintained in Emacs for many years
> From: Glenn Morris
> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:07:11 -0400
> Cc: 13...@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-texinfo@gnu.org
>
>
> PS AFAIK, the only reason it is in Emacs is because of MS Windows users.
> I doubt anyone on POSIX platforms uses info pages without having texinfo
> installed.
I think it's for a
Sorry, yes, of course, info-stnd is the doc of the info program.
Mixed it with the documentation of info format. Uffa.
Actually, info.texi is mostly a tutorial on using Info readers --
applicable to both readers. It's not at all about documenting Info
format (Patrice and I wrote that for
On Mo, 18 Mär 2013, Karl Berry wrote:
> Well, it will still include info-stnd.texi.
Sorry, yes, of course, info-stnd is the doc of the info program.
Mixed it with the documentation of info format. Uffa.
> I suppose the problem is that then people who want to use standalone
> Info will have to ins
But isn't that strange ... I mean texinfo ships the info reader,
Emacs ships an Info reader too -- the original one, and one far more
commonly used than standalone Info, I suspect. And most all changes to
info.texi in the last X years have been about info.el and Emacs things.
shouldn't i
On Mo, 18 Mär 2013, Karl Berry wrote:
> Both emacs and texinfo install the info.info info file. This needs to
> be resolved.
>
> Fine, I'll remove it from Texinfo, since in practice info.texi has been
> maintained in Emacs for many years. (I've been copying it from the
> latest Emacs dis
Both emacs and texinfo install the info.info info file. This needs to
be resolved.
Fine, I'll remove it from Texinfo, since in practice info.texi has been
maintained in Emacs for many years. (I've been copying it from the
latest Emacs distribution before making a Texinfo release.)
k
Both emacs and texinfo install the info.info info file. This needs to
be resolved.
Andreas.
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