Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/25/2016 01:05 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: Maybe in your argument, but then abandoning Info makes much less sense to me. Inventing yet another specialized format and coding yet another specialized reader means repeating the Info experience over again, i.e. we didn't learn anything from the cu

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Assaf Gordon
Hello, > On Nov 25, 2016, at 04:00, Gavin Smith wrote: > > On 24 November 2016 at 19:55, Assaf Gordon wrote: >> one minor annoyance that stems from the "info" format: the references >> (@ref/@xref/@pxref). > > As Eli said, the main problem with the above is the printed output, [...] Perhaps

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/25/2016 03:46 AM, Norbert Preining wrote: I have a good computer but use the normal info program regularly in contrast to the Emacs info mode. As do I. But would you have a problem if the implementation of the info program were replaced with a simple driver that just processes the com

Question about hyphens in DocBook output

2016-11-25 Thread Gavin Smith
If in a Texinfo input file I have @cindex --wuh @findex --wuh in the DocBook output, this becomes –wuh –wuh We see that the index test is identical. However, in the source code in DocBook.pm, the '_index_entry' function, there's the following line: $self->{'document_context'}->[-1]->{'mono

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Norbert Preining
I have a good computer but use the normal info program regularly in contrast to the Emacs info mode. -- PREINING Norbert + TeX Live & Debian Developer + http://www.preining.info GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Gavin Smith
On 25 November 2016 at 07:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Per Bothner >> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:34:38 -0800 >> Cc: Texinfo >> >> > When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently >> > in each format (info/html/pdf). >> >> The emacs info mode does a better job with

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Per Bothner > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:25:00 -0800 > Cc: Texinfo > > > The goodness of the job depends on the criteria. The info executable > > typically fits in 250k; the emacs executable may not fit in 5M > > when present. > > And why do you care? 5M is peanuts these days. A runnin

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: bug-texinfo@gnu.org > From: Per Bothner > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:25:08 -0800 > > > I don't think it's a good idea. Emacs is a relatively large package, > > and likely to not be installed on some systems, like the current > > mobile computers/phones. the Emacs Info reader is for users w

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Gavin Smith
On 25 November 2016 at 06:53, Ineiev wrote: >> The emacs info mode does a better job with references, so they look more >> like they would in html. >> This is true even if you run emacs in a terminal (with the -nw flag). >> >> This is another reason to replace the info program with a wrapper roun

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Gavin Smith
On 24 November 2016 at 19:55, Assaf Gordon wrote: > one minor annoyance that stems from the "info" format: the references > (@ref/@xref/@pxref). > > When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently in > each format (info/html/pdf). > > The texinfo manual even warns: > >

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 11:27 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: Per Bothner Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:34:38 -0800 Cc: Texinfo When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently in each format (info/html/pdf). The emacs info mode does a better job with references, so they look m

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-25 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 11:24 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: Per Bothner Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:28:39 -0800 Cc: Texinfo I would also add, as a needed, independent project: * Change the standalone info program to a wrapper around 'emacs -nw'. I don't think it's a good idea. Emacs is a relatively