Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Per Bothner > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:34:38 -0800 > Cc: Texinfo > > > When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently > > in each format (info/html/pdf). > > The emacs info mode does a better job with references, so they look more like > they would in html.

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 11:22 PM, Ineiev wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:02:18PM -0800, Per Bothner wrote: On 11/24/2016 10:53 PM, Ineiev wrote: This is another reason to replace the info program with a wrapper round 'emaca -nw'. Why not improve the info program? Because it's a lot of duplica

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Per Bothner > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:28:39 -0800 > Cc: Texinfo > > I would also add, as a needed, independent project: > * Change the standalone info program to a wrapper around 'emacs -nw'. I don't think it's a good idea. Emacs is a relatively large package, and likely to not be in

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Ineiev
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:02:18PM -0800, Per Bothner wrote: > > > On 11/24/2016 10:53 PM, Ineiev wrote: > > >>This is another reason to replace the info program with a wrapper round > >>'emaca -nw'. > > > >Why not improve the info program? > > Because it's a lot of duplicated and wasteful wor

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Assaf Gordon > Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:55:05 -0500 > Cc: Texinfo > > >> Its weakness is the “info” file format > > > > Why is that a weakness? Surely people can ignore the "info" file > > format if they want to and focus on the HTML, DocBook and/or printed > > (TeX) output? > > > one

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 10:53 PM, Ineiev wrote: This is another reason to replace the info program with a wrapper round 'emaca -nw'. Why not improve the info program? Because it's a lot of duplicated and wasteful work, and nobody is doing it. Emacs has to be able to layout info (and html) using bo

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Ineiev
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 03:34:38PM -0800, Per Bothner wrote: > > On 11/24/2016 11:55 AM, Assaf Gordon wrote: > >one minor annoyance that stems from the "info" format: the references > >(@ref/@xref/@pxref). > > > >When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently in > >eac

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 11:55 AM, Assaf Gordon wrote: one minor annoyance that stems from the "info" format: the references (@ref/@xref/@pxref). When writing a manual and using references, they are rendered differently in each format (info/html/pdf). The emacs info mode does a better job with refere

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Per Bothner
On 11/24/2016 12:16 AM, Gavin Smith wrote: On 23 November 2016 at 19:33, Per Bothner wrote: I've talked before about getting rid of the info format. I've written up a draft roadmap / plan of action with more details: http://per.bothner.com/blog/2016/texinfo-roadmap/ Its weakness is the “i

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Assaf Gordon
Hello, > On Nov 24, 2016, at 03:16, Gavin Smith wrote: > > On 23 November 2016 at 19:33, Per Bothner wrote: >> I've talked before about getting rid of the info format. >> >> Comments? > >> Its weakness is the “info” file format > > Why is that a weakness? Surely people can ignore the "info"

Re: A Roadmap for TexInfo without Info

2016-11-24 Thread Gavin Smith
On 23 November 2016 at 19:33, Per Bothner wrote: > I've talked before about getting rid of the info format. > I've written up a draft roadmap / plan of action with more details: > > http://per.bothner.com/blog/2016/texinfo-roadmap/ > > (Do note the last Caveat section.) > > Comments? >Its weaknes