Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Tue, 2015-01-06 at 07:05 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > I wrote some blog posts about eval and other metaprogramming techniques > > in make that you might find interesting: > > > > http://make.mad-scientist.net/category/metaprogramming/ > > I find this article also useful and helpful for

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> I wrote some blog posts about eval and other metaprogramming techniques > in make that you might find interesting: > > http://make.mad-scientist.net/category/metaprogramming/ I find this article also useful and helpful for my software development tasks. You mention a construct "define … endef"

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
>> The corresponding processes should be efficiently started for >> parallel background execution after a serial data preparation >> was finished. > > This makes very little sense. This issue depends on work flow ordering. > In a properly written Makefile, your serial preparation step > will re

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> I guess I don't really see what the purpose of this is. If you have 2 > CPUs you get targets MYTARGET_0 and MYTARGET_1. If you have 4 CPUs you > get targets MYTARGET_0, MYTARGET_1, MYTARGET_2, MYTARGET_3. > > So... then what? I need to find some source files before I can start further process

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 20:06 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > So you have in your toolbox $(shell) and $(eval). > > I am not familiar enough with the second make function. > http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Eval-Function.html I wrote some blog posts about eval and other metapro

Re: Cooperation with distributed job processing systems

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> There are two completely separate things: one thing is make deciding > how many jobs can be run in parallel and when more jobs can be started. Thanks for your explanation. > That's controlled by the jobserver and currently there's no > way to replace the built-in jobserver implementation with

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Howard Chu
SF Markus Elfring wrote: It seems like you want to automatically expand or contract the number of jobs that make will run in parallel, Yes, exactly. I can not use the parameter "-j" directly for the start of the main make process in my case so far. based on some processing of the recipe.

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> So you have in your toolbox $(shell) and $(eval). I am not familiar enough with the second make function. http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Eval-Function.html > $(eval) lets you generate rules dynamically. Does it really support the generation of completely new build rules (in

Re: Cooperation with distributed job processing systems

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 18:24 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > Jobserver is a method of communicating how many jobs make thinks are > > running between different instances (parent/child) of the make > > program itself, so it knows that no more than N jobs are invoked > > between all instances. >

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> It seems like you want to automatically expand or contract the > number of jobs that make will run in parallel, Yes, exactly. I can not use the parameter "-j" directly for the start of the main make process in my case so far. > based on some processing of the recipe. One of the variables (or

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Tim Murphy
On 5 January 2015 at 18:13, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > I assume that you want something different from this > > but you need to explain better, sorry :-) > > I hope that an other wording will be clearer. > > Can make rules be extended on demand while a build script > is evaluated? > > How much

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 18:03 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you're trying to do. > > How do you think about to share any more software development > experiences for the application of the command "getconf > _NPROCESSORS_ONLN" together with make tool

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> I assume that you want something different from this > but you need to explain better, sorry :-) I hope that an other wording will be clearer. Can make rules be extended on demand while a build script is evaluated? How much can a command like "getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN" influence rule evaluati

Re: Cooperation with distributed job processing systems

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
> Jobserver is a method of communicating how many jobs make thinks are > running between different instances (parent/child) of the make > program itself, so it knows that no more than N jobs are invoked > between all instances. How do you think about to delegate such an implementation detail to a

Fwd: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Tim Murphy
-- Forwarded message -- From: Tim Murphy Date: 5 January 2015 at 17:20 Subject: Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors To: SF Markus Elfring Hi On 5 January 2015 at 17:03, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > > > I'm sorry but I don't real

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
>> So I need to be flexible with the specification of input and >> output parameters for these programs. But I see some software >> development challenges for this use case. > > I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you're trying to do. How do you think about to share any more software dev

Re: Aborting script evaluation for targets without parallel build support

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 12:42 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > 1. The list of targets which can be specified as command > line parameters is not provided by the tool "make 4.1-2.1" > in the variable "MAKEFLAGS". >How should the target name be checked then? The goals provided on the command line

Re: Dynamic adjustments of build dependencies for the number of available processors

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2015-01-03 at 20:23 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > I would like to use all processor cores for a software build. > So I try to reuse a corresponding system setting by a command > like "getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN" in recipes for a make file. > > A bit of build preparation needs to be perf

Re: Cooperation with distributed job processing systems

2015-01-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Sat, 2015-01-03 at 23:30 +0100, SF Markus Elfring wrote: > There are programming interfaces available which > provide support for submitting jobs to bigger and > more powerful computer systems. > I imagine that the software "jobserver" could > be extended for the convenient reuse of such APIs.

Aborting script evaluation for targets without parallel build support

2015-01-05 Thread SF Markus Elfring
Hello, I would like to abort the evaluation of a make script if data processing was requested for a target which does not support a parallel software build process so far. I do not want to use the .NOTPARALLEL pseudo-target for some of my applications when I can call a make function like "error" o

[bug #43936] Completion of error handling

2015-01-05 Thread Markus Elfring
URL: Summary: Completion of error handling Project: make Submitted by: elfring Submitted on: Mo 05 Jan 2015 10:10:58 CET Severity: 3 - Normal Item Group: Bug