Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
At Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:31:30 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have to admit i am lost about the actual Hurd state. That's arguably good news. When I joined the Hurd in 1997, there was little doubt about the Hurd state at that time: It was just about at the end of dieing a slow death.

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I meant the installation guide should be updated. However, since the tarball still exists, it shouldn't be updated the way I expected, but by changing alpha.gnu.org to ftp.gnuab.org. I guess it's still a good idea to mention crosshurd anyway. Okie, anyone who would like to update the

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Bas Wijnen
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > 2 July 2003 > The tarball for Debian GNU/Hurd that Marcus Brinkmann made over > the years has been discontinued in favour of Jeff Bailey's > crosshurd package. To install Debian GNU/Hurd from now on, this > package should be used. Anothe

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
That's all there is. The only mailinglist missing in that row is commit-hurd. You forgot web-hurd (and hurd-devel). I said this before, but I will try to submit some stuff for hurd.gnu.org and see if it will be approved. Hopefully more people will join me. Please do! And once a

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Marco Gerards
Oliver Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:44:42 +0100 > Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It should be updated. > > These are things that can be done by a non-hacker. I have think about > how could be done so, some times. But I can't filter what is a news that > can

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Is there a ML where such things are discuss or announced? I'm only subscribed to bug-hurd, help-hurd and the Hurd-ML on Debian. [EMAIL PROTECTED] My opinion is, when a hacker release a piece of code, it should be announced at www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Maybe not on the frontpage(TM

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
If they don't want to help then that is our problem. I still disagree, if people don't want to help we can't force them. It is our problem however if we have people who wish to help, but for some reason can't because we are to elitist. Still I have a few notes (and I don't have time to fix

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Oliver Beck
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:44:42 +0100 Bas Wijnen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It should be updated. These are things that can be done by a non-hacker. I have think about how could be done so, some times. But I can't filter what is a news that can be add to the page and what not. Is there a ML where

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Philip Charles
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Bas Wijnen wrote: > What's new: > > 2 July 2003 > > The tarball for Debian GNU/Hurd that Marcus Brinkmann made over > > the years has been discontinued in favour of Jeff Bailey's > > crosshurd package. To install Debian GNU/Hurd from now on, this > > packa

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Bas Wijnen
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: There are very few hackers on the project, and that is a problem. We can call it lack of their imagination, but it's our problem, not theirs, so blaming them isn't going to help. I disagree, it is not our problem that people don't want to hack. We want the software

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
There are very few hackers on the project, and that is a problem. We can call it lack of their imagination, but it's our problem, not theirs, so blaming them isn't going to help. I disagree, it is not our problem that people don't want to hack. I think the main problem is PR: the webs

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Bas Wijnen
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: What is the problem with the Hurd? Lack of proper direction? Lack of hackers? Lack of documentation? Lack of ...? What is the problem, really? We need to know it in order to fix it. There is no problem, but the lack of imagination from those who wish to hack I think

Re: Hurd state

2005-01-06 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I know this will require deep changes on the Hurd, and that it will take time. But i am unable to find proper documentation/guidelines for the task. See the hurd-l4 module in the Hurd CVS repo. - There are some official (commonly accepted) strategy for the Hurd development? Fix

Hurd state

2005-01-05 Thread jemarch
yself at 2001). I even tried to contribute writing hush (an extension for the bash shell supporting translators) and installing and testing GNU/Hurd on several machines. I have to admit i am lost about the actual Hurd state. I know mach has been deprecated in order to take the advantages of a (supp