Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-28 Thread Jason Brandt
Our public DNS servers are on site as well. I user forwarders (as opposed to slaves) from our resolvers to our public DNS servers for our internal domains, and the resolvers still responded for internal domains, even when the recursive count was high and external domains weren't responding. On T

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-27 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <53349e66.8050...@ksu.edu>, "Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng." writes: > > > On 03/26/14 04:02, Sam Wilson wrote: > > In article , > > Jason Brandt wrote: > > > >> For now, I've disabled DNS inspection on our firewall, as it is an ancient > >> Cisco firewall services module, and that seems

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-27 Thread Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng.
On 03/26/14 04:02, Sam Wilson wrote: > In article , > Jason Brandt wrote: > >> For now, I've disabled DNS inspection on our firewall, as it is an ancient >> Cisco firewall services module, and that seems to have stabilized things, >> but it's only been 30 minutes or so. Until I get a few days

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-27 Thread Eliezer Croitoru
Are you using logs on the bind machine\s? Eliezer On 03/25/2014 04:31 PM, Jason Brandt wrote: We recently migrated to BIND for our internal resolvers, and since the migration, we are experiencing periods of high recursive client counts, which will at times cause the BIND server to quit

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Scott Bertilson writes: > > This got me to take a look at "rndc recursing" on one of our servers. > > It is disappointing that queries for the same FQDN/type/class from the same > client (different source port and query ID though) are handled individually > rather than being merge

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Scott Bertilson
This got me to take a look at "rndc recursing" on one of our servers. It is disappointing that queries for the same FQDN/type/class from the same client (different source port and query ID though) are handled individually rather than being merged somehow. Is this because of the ID or the source p

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Brandt
Thanks guys. I appreciate the input. I don't want to derail the list much though, as this is supposed to be more BIND than Cisco :) At this point my BIND installation seems to be stable, so we'll call it case closed. We do plan on replacing our firewalls in the near future, so hopefully we won'

RE: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread CARTWRIGHT, CORY C
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Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Sam Wilson
In article , Jason Brandt wrote: > The code on our FWSMs isn't the latest release, so that could be part of > the issue, but it's been about 16 hours now since I shut it off, and so far > so good. I would say though with the other load on our firewalls, it's > highly possible that they were bei

Re: Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Brandt
We don't do any NAT at the firewall level, they're all public IPs. Thanks, Jason On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Timothe Litt wrote: > DNS inspection doesn't do anything useful; bind does enough validity > checking. UDP inspection suffices to let return packets thru. > > Another thing to bew

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Brandt
rg [mailto: > bind-users-bounces+paul.thom=dfo-mpo.gc...@lists.isc.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason > Brandt > *Sent:* March-26-14 9:09 AM > *To:* Sam Wilson > *Cc:* comp-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org > *Subject:* Re: High recursive client counts > > > > The code on our FWSMs isn't

Re: Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Timothe Litt
DNS inspection doesn't do anything useful; bind does enough validity checking. UDP inspection suffices to let return packets thru. Another thing to beware of is NAT - if you do static NAT translation for your nameservers, be sure to specify no-payload (e.g. ip nat inside source static tcp/ud

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Brandt
The code on our FWSMs isn't the latest release, so that could be part of the issue, but it's been about 16 hours now since I shut it off, and so far so good. I would say though with the other load on our firewalls, it's highly possible that they were being overloaded. Unfortunately our MRTG isn't

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-26 Thread Sam Wilson
In article , Jason Brandt wrote: > For now, I've disabled DNS inspection on our firewall, as it is an ancient > Cisco firewall services module, and that seems to have stabilized things, > but it's only been 30 minutes or so. Until I get a few days in, I'll keep > researching. We used to run DN

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Brandt
Mark, That's a very good question, and something we had thought of as a possibility as well. I hadn't seen any good information in relation to entropy, so I'll check into your link. We had noticed that on other things as well, due to the virtual environment, but nothing that caused performance

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Mark Elkins
This might be a dumb answer but as the machine is part of a virtual server, perhaps you have simply run out of entropy? I know its a Resolver... but isn't perhaps BIND using Entropy to randomly talk on different ports to get answers? What about installing the 'haveged' package, www.irisa.fr/caps/p

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Brandt
Cathy, Thank you for your comments. I will continue to investigate, it helps to have avenues to look down though. As far as build version, we are aware that we aren't at current stable release. However we've tried to stick to the distro release as much as possible, to help streamline patching.

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Cathy Almond
recursing output. Take a look at the queries causing delays, dig them > manually from various locations, and try to find a common theme. If > there > is no common theme to the query destinations, then look even closer at > your network. :-) > > hth > >

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Brandt
> manually from various locations, and try to find a common theme. If there > is no common theme to the query destinations, then look even closer at > your network. :-) > > hth > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Brandt > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 10:

Re: High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Mike Hoskins (michoski)
me. If there is no common theme to the query destinations, then look even closer at your network. :-) hth -Original Message- From: Jason Brandt Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 at 10:31 AM To: "bind-users@lists.isc.org" Subject: High recursive client counts >We recently

High recursive client counts

2014-03-25 Thread Jason Brandt
We recently migrated to BIND for our internal resolvers, and since the migration, we are experiencing periods of high recursive client counts, which will at times cause the BIND server to quit responding. As a workaround, I've been able to point the BIND server to a forwarder, bypassing the