Re: our isp not supports EDNS?

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Je ff Pang writes: > Hello, > > Following the discussions in the list, I made a test on one of our > servers, which is in an ISP's datacenter. > > The result is below: > > $ dig +short rs.dns-oarc.net txt > rst.x476.rs.dns-oarc.net. > rst.x485.x476.rs.dns-oarc.net. > rst.x490.x485.

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <789398ea51916246a8016370ebc0231f0f3...@it-rome.sooner.net.ou.edu>, "Laws, Peter C." writes: > Yes, I get all that. But earlier in the thread, I noted that: > > "Mine are all saying "x.x.x.x sent EDNS buffer size 4096" when I run the > dns-oarc.net test, which I assume is the defau

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Laws, Peter C.
Yes, I get all that. But earlier in the thread, I noted that: "Mine are all saying "x.x.x.x sent EDNS buffer size 4096" when I run the dns-oarc.net test, which I assume is the default. I, too, get the 3843 "at least" value. "Why would I set it to 3843? Wouldn't I want it to be set to 4096 ev

our isp not supports EDNS?

2010-05-03 Thread Jeff Pang
Hello, Following the discussions in the list, I made a test on one of our servers, which is in an ISP's datacenter. The result is below: $ dig +short rs.dns-oarc.net txt rst.x476.rs.dns-oarc.net. rst.x485.x476.rs.dns-oarc.net. rst.x490.x485.x476.rs.dns-oarc.net. "218.204.255.72 DNS reply size li

Re: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Gregory Hicks wrote: > > Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:37:46 +0200 > > From: fddi > > To: Bind Users Mailing List > > Subject: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration > > X-FuHaFi: 0.68005 > > > > > > > > Hello I have one domain > > > > test.com with namserver

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4bdf4b79.4050...@ou.edu>, Peter Laws writes: > On 05/03/10 16:19, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > The test is a rough guide to the maximum packet size supported by the path. > > So what would be the point of using edns-udp-size to something even > smaller? None I can see ... > > What am

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/03/10 17:04, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > My workflow is as follows: > > 1. We notice slow DNS resolution to a given external domain (either >via user complaint or other means) > 2. Troubleshoot and identify that the given domain's primary >nameservers don't properly handl

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 04:54:38PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 05/03/10 16:46, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > > On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 04:20:30PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 05/03/10 09:34, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > >>> > >>> I believe having edns-udp-size set at 512 gives us maximum > >>> compati

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/03/10 16:46, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 04:20:30PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 05/03/10 09:34, Ray Van Dolson wrote: >>> >>> I believe having edns-udp-size set at 512 gives us maximum >>> compatibility with anything out there behind a broken firewall, etc, >>> though

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20100503163413.ga2...@esri.com>, Ray Van Dolson writes: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:55:48PM -0700, Cathy Almond wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > > > I'd recommend not using type 'any' in your tests - the results won't > > always be what you expect. ANY is a diagnostic query type - and what a

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 04:20:30PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > On 05/03/10 09:34, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > > > > I believe having edns-udp-size set at 512 gives us maximum > > compatibility with anything out there behind a broken firewall, etc, > > though we should look at removing the limit at some

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/03/10 09:34, Ray Van Dolson wrote: > > I believe having edns-udp-size set at 512 gives us maximum > compatibility with anything out there behind a broken firewall, etc, > though we should look at removing the limit at some point in the future > when possible. Doing this will simply perpetuat

Re: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/03/10 08:37, fddi wrote: > > > Hello I have one domain > > test.com with namserver ns.test.com (10.0.0.1) > > and a subdomain > > cr.test.com with nameserver ns.cr.test.com (10.1.0.1) > > > my problem is that if I update hostnames inside test.com zone > updates are not seen by cr.test.

Re: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
Did you wait for the records to time out of the cache? A "forward" zone is not a zone in the RFC 1034 sense. It it a namespace where the nameserver does not follow the normal resolution path. If you want cr.test.com to see the change make "test.com" a slave zone and list cr.test.com as a namese

Re: Two separate replies for one query to some domains

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <201005030503.49752.j...@aexorsyst.com>, "John Z. Bohach" writes: > Hello, > > I'm trying to run a local caching-only nameserver (bind-9.3.3) on Linux > in order to bypass my ISP's name-servers, and most things work fine, > except some domains behave strangely. > > For example, fore

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Laws
On 05/03/10 16:19, Mark Andrews wrote: The test is a rough guide to the maximum packet size supported by the path. So what would be the point of using edns-udp-size to something even smaller? None I can see ... What am I missing? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Op

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4bdf39f7.1060...@ou.edu>, Peter Laws writes: > On 05/03/10 15:55, Lightner, Jeff wrote: > > > > Also one of the links I sent earlier had a similar comment about less > > than 300 bytes difference not being a problem. I had missed that. > > > > 4096 - 3843 = 153 > > It seems if I'd p

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Laws
On 05/03/10 15:55, Lightner, Jeff wrote: Also one of the links I sent earlier had a similar comment about less than 300 bytes difference not being a problem. I had missed that. 4096 - 3843 = 153 It seems if I'd paid attention I'd not have posted my follow up questions. It's not on the dns-o

Re: DNSSEC - Root zone - FUD

2010-05-03 Thread Kalman Feher
On 3/05/10 10:25 PM, "Ray Van Dolson" wrote: > David, I think you're exactly right. Lots of FUD, but, if I understand > correctly, BIND does by default does send out EDNS0 signalling by > default... EDNS0 does not imply DNSSEC. So you can get large responses back for lots of non DNSSEC querie

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
I was using the Java tester on a Windows system and saw the same 4096/3843 as I'd seen with DIG and just now noticed this comment in its results: "Note: There will always be a difference between the announced and measured buffer size because of the algorithm used. However this difference should no

Re: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread f...@gmx.it
Yes I do update the serial, in fact I wrote to the list because I cannot find an explanation... thanks Rick Gregory Hicks wrote: Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:37:46 +0200 From: fddi To: Bind Users Mailing List Subject: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration X-FuHaFi: 0.680

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Laws
On 05/03/10 14:56, Kalman Feher wrote: You probably should. Your resolver is saying its capable of handling 4096, but apparently your network path may not support that. The changes on the The network path to dns-oarc.net doesn't, but that doesn't really mean anything. To some resolvers, the

Re: DNSSEC - Root zone - FUD

2010-05-03 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 01:16:53PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > All, > > There has been quite a bit of FUD bouncing around the net regarding the > May 5th signing of the root zone and the sky falling (or at least > massive failures across the internet). I have been asked multiple times > about

DNSSEC - Root zone - FUD

2010-05-03 Thread David Miller
All, There has been quite a bit of FUD bouncing around the net regarding the May 5th signing of the root zone and the sky falling (or at least massive failures across the internet). I have been asked multiple times about how I was going to prevent the internet from collapsing for my users.

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
I posted a note just before this so not sure if you saw that. In that I noted my set of EDNS seemed to be contra-indicated as default is 4096. Setting it to the lower value worked to set advertised value but in turn the lower value reduced again so it seems one would never be able to advertise th

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Thanks. Is there something in the world know to be exactly 4096 or are you suggesting I somehow craft a record of that size? -Original Message- From: bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Kalman F

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Kalman Feher
On 3/05/10 9:54 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" wrote: > On doing that however, I now see the advertised value is 3839 but the > "at least" value is 3828 on one and 3827 on the other as shown below. > Based on that it appears one should NOT set the edns-udp-size as it > doesn't fix the problem. This appe

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
To follow up on Peter's question what does it mean if one sees the "reply size limit is at least" with a value lower than the advertised EDNS buffer size? This link talks about various scenarios but not that one so I'm not sure if this means Peter and I need to be concerned. I saw similar results

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Kalman Feher
On 3/05/10 7:34 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" wrote: > There is no EDNS entry in my named.conf. Do I need one, given that > above worked? You probably should. Your resolver is saying its capable of handling 4096, but apparently your network path may not support that. The changes on the 5/5 will not req

Re: Bind 9.7.0-P1 socket: file descriptor exceeds limit / assertion failure

2010-05-03 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:53:44 -0700, Dale Kiefling wrote: > We have a Bind 9.7.0-P1 instance that is throwing the following errors: > 21-Apr-2010 16:59:00.173 general: error: socket: file descriptor exceeds > limit > (1024/1024) The fact that the FD limit is 1024 suggests your named uses select

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
I hadn't done any tests because as noted below I was unaware there was any testing needed. I was responding in thread that seemed relevant. Someone replied off list suggesting I do dig @b.root-severs.net com +dnssec +notcp then dig @b.root-servers.net com +dnssec +tcp. The latter responded c

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Laws
On 01/-10/37 13:59, Kalman Feher wrote: Second, make sure the tested effective size appears in your named.conf in the options statement "edns-udp-size" on your resolver. In your case: edns-udp-size 3843; Mine are all saying "x.x.x.x sent EDNS buffer size 4096" when I run the dns-oarc.net

Re: Side-effects of edns-udp-size 512

2010-05-03 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:55:48PM -0700, Cathy Almond wrote: > Hi Ray, > > I'd recommend not using type 'any' in your tests - the results won't > always be what you expect. ANY is a diagnostic query type - and what a > recursive nameserver does when it receives it will depend on what it has > al

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Alan Clegg
On 5/3/2010 4:36 PM, Lightner, Jeff wrote: > It sounds as if he read an article saying we have to implement DNSSEC on > our DNS servers or we'll quit working on 5/5? Is that the case? > > Also what is the drop dead date/time if so? 5/5 Midnight UTC? Some > other time? You don't need to do any

Re: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread Gregory Hicks
> Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:37:46 +0200 > From: fddi > To: Bind Users Mailing List > Subject: problem with domain and sub-domain configuration > X-FuHaFi: 0.68005 > > > > Hello I have one domain > > test.com with namserver ns.test.com (10.0.0.1) > > and a subdomain > > cr.test.

problem with domain and sub-domain configuration

2010-05-03 Thread fddi
Hello I have one domain test.com with namserver ns.test.com (10.0.0.1) and a subdomain cr.test.com with nameserver ns.cr.test.com (10.1.0.1) my problem is that if I update hostnames inside test.com zone updates are not seen by cr.test.com nameserver they are seen if I restart named on cr.t

RE: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Lightner, Jeff
I fear I've missed something important. My Network admin is saying his understanding is we MUST make changes for this 5/5 change on the root servers. I was under the impression that until we decide to implement DNSSEC ourselves we don't need to do anything on our end to continue resolving. W

Re: Preparing for upcoming DNSSEC changes on 5/5

2010-05-03 Thread Kalman Feher
On 1/05/10 7:10 PM, "Server Administrator" wrote: > I tried OARC's DNS Reply Size Test on two of my name servers, both on > the same network, behind the same firewall & router. > > Both came back and reported "DNS reply size limit is at least 3843" > (results below). > > Is 3843 close enough

Two separate replies for one query to some domains

2010-05-03 Thread John Z. Bohach
Hello, I'm trying to run a local caching-only nameserver (bind-9.3.3) on Linux in order to bypass my ISP's name-servers, and most things work fine, except some domains behave strangely. For example, forecast.weather.gov has a TTL of 5 seconds. My initial look-up works correctly, and the respon