Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-05 Thread Hearns, John
> Hey team Beowulf, > I, as most of you, always give a big hairy technical eyeball to any > statements that include MPI and "cloud".  I know I'm biased, but I do think > Jason does a great job of >explaining "the bench", i.e. never assume raw > horsepower until you test it!  Always reminds me o

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Mark Hahn
>> again, if you have a bursty load, you want to use a shared facility, >> of which, EC2 spot instances is just one example. > > When talking of using a shared facility: The advantage I've > sometimes seen for "cloud" over the traditional "get time on a > shared cluster" I should be clear - the ki

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Adam DeConinck
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > again, if you have a bursty load, you want to use a shared facility, > of which, EC2 spot instances is just one example. When talking of using a shared facility: The advantage I've sometimes seen for "cloud" over the traditional "get time on a s

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Reuti
Am 04.03.2013 um 12:38 schrieb Hearns, John: >> Utility being a phrase that identifies how one can >> turn on and off resource at the drop of a hat. If you are running >> nodes 100% 365d/y on prem is still a serious win. If you have the odd >> monster run, or are in a small shop with no access t

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Douglas Eadline
>> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2013-02-28/utility_supercomputing_heats_up.html > > well, it's HPC wire - I always assume their name is acknowledgement that > their content is much like "HPC PR wire", often or mostly > vendor-sponsored. > call me ivory-tower, but this sort of thing: > > Cy

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread James Cuff
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: >>> >>> I'm guessing the answer is that your market is mainly people who are too >>> self-important (anything health- or finance-related) to do it themselves >>> (or join a coop/consortium), or else people just getting their toes wet. > > > James,

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Mark Hahn
>> Utility being a phrase that identifies how one can >> turn on and off resource at the drop of a hat. If you are running >> nodes 100% 365d/y on prem is still a serious win. If you have the odd >> monster run, or are in a small shop with no access to large scale >> compute, utility is the only

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-04 Thread Hearns, John
> Utility being a phrase that identifies how one can > turn on and off resource at the drop of a hat. If you are running > nodes 100% 365d/y on prem is still a serious win. If you have the odd > monster run, or are in a small shop with no access to large scale > compute, utility is the only way

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Hahn
>> I'm guessing the answer is that your market is mainly people who are too >> self-important (anything health- or finance-related) to do it themselves >> (or join a coop/consortium), or else people just getting their toes wet. James, FWIW, I regret that this was unnecessarily personal. my though

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-02 Thread James Cuff
Hi Mark, We do have a common mission. It is a shame you and I will never agree. Thanks for the input - great points. Best, j. On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: > I'm guessing the answer is that your market is mainly people who are too > self-important (anything health- or fin

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-02 Thread Mark Hahn
> We do have a common mission. It is a shame you and I will never agree. if you say so. I'm curious if you have any comments on the question of how the EC2 spot market price will behave. thanks, mark hahn. ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-02 Thread Mark Hahn
> had some of all of this. The cool thing about IaaS providers is they > can (not always) get a hold of more recent kit, and if you are smart > about how you use it you can see huge benefits from all of this, even > down to simple changes to CPU spec at a simple level, to much larger > wins if you

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-02 Thread James Cuff
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: >> >> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2013-02-28/utility_supercomputing_heats_up.html Hi Mark, Great points you raise here! Lovely to have this discussion, let me have a crack at some of them in line. This is fun! > well, it's HPC wire - I alwa

Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Hahn
> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2013-02-28/utility_supercomputing_heats_up.html well, it's HPC wire - I always assume their name is acknowledgement that their content is much like "HPC PR wire", often or mostly vendor-sponsored. call me ivory-tower, but this sort of thing: Cycle has see