Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-07-09 Thread Stig Telfer
I think this is all true, but... There's a strong theme of "choose your own adventure" to designing performant OpenStack infrastructure. Consider it as a continuum of convenience vs performance: at one end we get all the flexibility of cloud and at the other we get all the performance of bare

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack [EXT]

2020-07-09 Thread Tim Cutts
I think that’s certainly true. As with all things, it depends on your workloads. The vast majority of our genomics codes are either single threaded, or multi-threaded on a single node. There's relatively little MPI, and we maintain a "parallel" queue on bare metal for precisely that set of wo

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-07-09 Thread m.somers
Hi, i suggest you not only look at the flexibility / complexity regarding administrating a cluster with OpenStack [there are also many other tools for that] but also *actually benchmark* with a parallel (threaded) code you know well and check the strong scaling via Amdhal's law by making some spee

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-07-08 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Hi Chris, thanks for your sentiments. Like most things, you have two sides of a coin: flexibility, which is what we all want, and complexity, which is the price you need to pay for the flexibility. This is why I thought it is best to ask the community for first hand experiences. One thing we

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack [EXT]

2020-07-08 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Hi Tim, many thanks for sharing your experiences here and sorry for my slow reply, I am currently on annual leave and thus don't check emails on a daily base. The additional layer of complexity is probably the price you have to pay for the flexibility. What we are aiming for is having a more f

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-07-08 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Hi John, thanks for the links. I know Martyn personally and of course I know his (in)famous talks at the CIUK workshops. The InfiniBand is not for storage (I still consider using IB for storage a waste) it is for parallel computing where you need the low latency. As far as I can see even the l

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack [EXT]

2020-07-01 Thread Tim Cutts
Here, we deploy some clusters on OpenStack, and some traditionally as bare metal. Our largest cluster is actually a mixture of both, so we can dynamically expand it from the OpenStack service when needed. Our aim eventually is to use OpenStack as a common deployment layer, even for the bare m

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-07-01 Thread Lance Wilson via Beowulf
At Job$1 we run multiple clusters on top on openstack. We are a very interactive HPC shop and it really helps to deliver things that we couldn't easily do any other way. The cgroups side of things is used pretty heavily but it doesn't always address contention in the way a dedicated VM can. Our net

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread Chris Samuel
On 29/6/20 5:09 pm, Jörg Saßmannshausen wrote: we are currently planning a new cluster and this time around the idea was to use OpenStack for the HPC part of the cluster as well. I was wondering if somebody has some first hand experiences on the list here. At $JOB-2 I helped a group set up a

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread John Hearns
Jorg, I would back up what Matt Wallis says. What benefits would Openstack bring you ? Do you need to set up a flexible infrastructure where clusters can be created on demand for specific projects? Regarding Infiniband the concept is SR-IOV. This article is worth reading: https://docs.openstack.or

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread INKozin via Beowulf
Hi Jörg, you may want to talk to Kenneth Tan @ https://www.sardinasystems.com/ In any case, he should be able to clarify your question regarding IB. Happy to provide his email address. Best Igor On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:22, Jörg Saßmannshausen < sassy-w...@sassy.formativ.net> wrote: > Dear all,

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread John Hearns
The video is here. From 04:00 onwards https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/magic_castle/ "OK your cluster will be available in about 20 minutes" On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:27, INKozin wrote: > And that's how you deploy an HPC cluster! > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:21, John Hearns wrote: > >>

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread John Hearns
I saw Magic Castle being demonstrated lve at FOSDEM this year. It is more a Terraform/ansible setup for configuring clusters on demand. The person demonstrating it called a Google Home assistant with a voice command and asked it to build and deploy a cluster - which it did! On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at

Re: [Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread Matt Wallis
Hi Jörg > On 30 Jun 2020, at 10:09 am, Jörg Saßmannshausen > wrote: > > Dear all, > > we are currently planning a new cluster and this time around the idea was to > use OpenStack for the HPC part of the cluster as well. > > I was wondering if somebody has some first hand experiences on the

[Beowulf] experience with HPC running on OpenStack

2020-06-30 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Dear all, we are currently planning a new cluster and this time around the idea was to use OpenStack for the HPC part of the cluster as well. I was wondering if somebody has some first hand experiences on the list here. One of the things we currently are not so sure about it is InfiniBand (or