Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-18 Thread Greg Kurtzer
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Robert G. Brown wrote: [snip] > On servers I run Centos or RHEL (licenses and all) as the vendor of the > software requires.  Generally Centos on top, then VMware, then RHEL VMs. > Works fine.  The only bad thing I've seen about Centos in the past is > the dark s

RE: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-18 Thread Hearns, John
Passthru's obviously won't usually work -- if you had an OS from a decade ago that didn't know about USB, I'd guess that the USB drivers would either not work or would actively break it. OTOH, you can deconfigure USB passthru. For what its worth, my current desktop is a 'recycled' XP workstat

RE: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-18 Thread Hearns, John
If you move an existing VM within the same virtualization and cpu technology you may be able to get away without reactivation or obtaining a new license key. MAC addresses can be set in several virtual environment which can help in some cases. I get your point here. I deal a lot with licensed I

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-18 Thread Tim Cutts
On 18 Sep 2009, at 1:15 pm, Robert G. Brown wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Gerry Creager wrote: I was a dyed-in-the-wool vmware user until quite recently, too, but the pain of keeping it running on "current" distros (read: Fedora) finally forced me to look elsewhere. I think you'll be plea

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-18 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Gerry Creager wrote: I was a dyed-in-the-wool vmware user until quite recently, too, but the pain of keeping it running on "current" distros (read: Fedora) finally forced me to look elsewhere. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by VirtualBox if you give it a shot. T

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-17 Thread Gerry Creager
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 at 12:01pm, Robert G. Brown wrote Unless/until Xen or KVM or something else comes out with a similarly powerful and tricked out console and ease of use and (still, overall) reliability, VMware will be on my personal laptops for the rest of time. It

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Stuart Barkley
This is drifting off topic but I want to clarify two points: - I'm not advocating violating any licensing agreement. I am interested in aspects of environments which interact with license management code. - I suspect attempting to move a Windows VM between two different VM implementations is tro

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Stuart Barkley wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 at 12:01 -, Robert G. Brown wrote: XPPro will run forever on the virtualized hardware interface as long as I can get linux to boot and run devices on the toplevel system. If I change machines, my XPPro VM can go with me without

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Stuart Barkley
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 at 12:01 -, Robert G. Brown wrote: > XPPro will run forever on the virtualized hardware interface as long > as I can get linux to boot and run devices on the toplevel system. > If I change machines, my XPPro VM can go with me without all of the > tedious crap from Windows U

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Ashley Pittman
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 13:04 -0500, David Ramirez wrote: > Still a newbie in HPC, in the first stages of building a Beowulf > cluster (8 nodes). > > I wonder if anybody out there has used Linux virtual machines in the > head node, just to be able to experiment with different configurations > & dep

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 at 12:01pm, Robert G. Brown wrote Unless/until Xen or KVM or something else comes out with a similarly powerful and tricked out console and ease of use and (still, overall) reliability, VMware will be on my personal laptops for the rest of time. It's just too useful a tool to

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Tim Cutts wrote: On 15 Sep 2009, at 11:55 pm, Dmitry Zaletnev wrote: When install CentOS 5.3, you get Xen virtual machine for free, with a nice interface, and in it, modes with internal network and NAT to outside world work simultaneously, witch is not the case of Sun xV

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 15 Sep 2009, at 11:55 pm, Dmitry Zaletnev wrote: When install CentOS 5.3, you get Xen virtual machine for free, with a nice interface, and in it, modes with internal network and NAT to outside world work simultaneously, witch is not the case of Sun xVM VirtualBox. Never used VMWare beca

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Dmitry Zaletnev
When install CentOS 5.3, you get Xen virtual machine for free, with a nice interface, and in it, modes with internal network and NAT to outside world work simultaneously, witch is not the case of Sun xVM VirtualBox. Never used VMWare because of its value of $189, people say it's a good VM. But w

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Stuart Barkley
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 at 14:04 -, David Ramirez wrote: > Still a newbie in HPC, in the first stages of building a Beowulf > cluster (8 nodes). Also a newbie to HPC, but now accumulating systems very quickly. > I wonder if anybody out there has used Linux virtual machines in the > head node, ju

Re: RS: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread David B. Ritch
At the RedHat Summit a couple of weeks ago, RH said that with a switch from Xen to KVM and lots of tuning, they were able to get the I/O overhead down to 5%. I thought that was pretty impressive. They also introduced a new product RedHat Enterprise Virtualization, which is supposed to support pro

Re: RS: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Tim Cutts
On 16 Sep 2009, at 8:23 am, Alan Ward wrote: I have been working quite a lot with VBox, mostly for server stuff. I agree it can be quite impressive, and has some nice features (e.g. do not stop a machine, sleep it - and wake up pretty fast). On the other hand, we found that anything that

RS: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-16 Thread Alan Ward
, specially when working with a local disk image file. Cheers, -Alan -Missatge original- De: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org en nom de John Hearns Enviat el: dc. 16/09/2009 07:44 Per a: Beowulf Mailing List Tema: Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ? 2009/9/16 Reuti : > To operate

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-15 Thread John Hearns
2009/9/16 Reuti : > To operate Sun VirtualBox w/o the graphical interface is possible, and you > can also direct the virtual console to any remote machine using "rdesktop" > as client on any platform you like. I agree re. Virtualbox - I'm evaluating it for desktop use, not for the purpose suggest

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-15 Thread Reuti
Am 14.09.2009 um 20:04 schrieb David Ramirez: Still a newbie in HPC, in the first stages of building a Beowulf cluster (8 nodes). I wonder if anybody out there has used Linux virtual machines in the head node, just to be able to experiment with different configurations & deployments and j

[Beowulf] Virtualization in head node ?

2009-09-15 Thread David Ramirez
Still a newbie in HPC, in the first stages of building a Beowulf cluster (8 nodes). I wonder if anybody out there has used Linux virtual machines in the head node, just to be able to experiment with different configurations & deployments and jump back without much effort if things go bad. Consider

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-08-05 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007, Julien Leduc wrote: > This last technique ensure reproductible experiments, more performances, > drawbacks are: more work on the middleware that make all that magic come > true. http://workspace.globus.org/vm/index.html The general idea being that you can request the config

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-08-01 Thread Julien Leduc
andrew holway a écrit : > Would this mean that a users environment could never exceed the > resources of a single node? you can deploy as many nodes as you want on your cluster with your own environment, you just reserve the amount of nodes you want to use, deploy your environment (filling the need

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-08-01 Thread Julien Leduc
>> I'm interested in utilising the hardware to create something akin to >> the sun grid or the amazon elastic computing cloud whereby the >> resources available to the environment are automatically expanded and >> contracted. Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick on how these >> services operate

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-26 Thread andrew holway
I was thinking of something more dynamic. Consider three large websites running in separate VM's (or perhaps more likely VPS's) on a cluster. At any one time the cluster is running at an average of 70% capacity. One website is European, one is American and one is Indian. They all have differing pe

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-26 Thread andrew holway
Would this mean that a users environment could never exceed the resources of a single node? Andy On 26/07/07, Julien Leduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm interested in utilising the hardware to create something akin to >> the sun grid or the amazon elastic computing cloud whereby the >> reso

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-17 Thread andrew holway
Please replace "cloud computing" with "utility computing" they are the same article on wikipedia but It seems to me that the current trend is going towards this kind of setup for people needing server space. Pay per hour, per processor. If it is to be offered as an alternative to dedicat

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-17 Thread Mark Hahn
It seems to me that the current trend is going towards this kind of setup for people needing server space. Pay per hour, per processor. it's an idea popular with certain vendors. and marketing aside, it makes some sense in some cases. but computers are incredibly cheap! there is some point whe

Re: [Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-17 Thread Mark Hahn
interested in finding out about virtualisation on beowulf. The pros and cons, what software can be used and the limitations of such software. virtualization does, inherently, sacrifice some performance. since beowulf is often motivated by achieving higher performance, this is somewhat contrad

[Beowulf] Virtualization

2007-07-17 Thread andrew holway
Hi, I'm just getting into beowulf so please excuse my ignorance. Im interested in finding out about virtualisation on beowulf. The pros and cons, what software can be used and the limitations of such software. Can a beowulf cluster be applied to cloud computing? Will it run xen or vmware or woul