Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Guys, Given the power of hardware today do projects like LHC project which works on BOINC platform or used to anyway, do they really benefit from using personal users computers? Regards, Jonathan -Original Message- From: Beowulf On Behalf Of Benson Muite Sent: 29 November 2019 05

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Benson Muite
There are some machine learning workloads that could be done in this context. Renting smartphones may be more challenging, but desktop or server idle computing power could be used in distributed offline training algorithms. The physics community does make heavy use of grid computing (https://

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Benson Muite
There are some machine learning workloads that could be done in this context. Renting smartphones may be more challenging, but desktop or server idle computing power could be used in distributed offline training algorithms. The physics community does make heavy use of grid computing (https://

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim (US 337K) via Beowulf
Don't forget background loads like the cooling fan, losses in the power supply, etc. Most power supplies (even switchers, unless specifically designed for this) have lower efficiency at lower loads. On 11/28/19, 12:39 AM, "Beowulf on behalf of Janne Blomqvist" wrote: On 27/11/2019 22.

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim (US 337K) via Beowulf
Wait.. let's figure here.. 2c/hr = 48c/day Electricity cost might be 25 c/kWh, and let's say that wall wart draws 5W, so 0.120 kWh/dy, or 3c/dy - that works out ok. $0.45/day = $13.50/month. Now, the real cost - how much is your time worth? $50/hr is very cheap for someone on this list. If it t

Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Chris Samuel
On 28/11/19 5:08 am, Dernat Rémy wrote: this works only when the phone is connected via WiFi, meaning that it doesn’t chew up data-plan data ever. This assumes you live in a part of the world where you can have an unmetered Internet connection. All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http:

Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Dernat Rémy
Sorry, I missed this part in the article : The next question about the battery has a surprisingly simple answer: this will work only while the charger is plugged in. Likewise for the data-plan question: this works only when the phone is connected via WiFi, meaning that it doesn’t chew

Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Dernat Rémy
Hi, Moreover, there is an environmental and a network cost for this. eg : is it worth spending half an hour or less, computing and transferring data on a small and old smartphone connected in 3g or less at the opposite side of the world ? I mean, maybe there is some sort of checking when you

Re: [Beowulf] [EXTERNAL] Re: Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Janne Blomqvist
On 27/11/2019 22.56, Lux, Jim (US 337K) via Beowulf wrote: > With respect to "free cycles" in desktop computers - back in the day, 10-15 > years ago, a bunch of folks made measurements on cluster nodes of one sort or > another. As I recall, there *is* a power consumption change between full > l

Re: [Beowulf] Is Crowd Computing the Next Big Thing?

2019-11-28 Thread Janne Blomqvist
On 28/11/2019 06.44, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I am going to be blunt here but its not worth that 2 cents per hour > given phones are key to everyones day to day work etc youll have to > carry quite a number of battery packs to get you through your day. Agreed, I wouldn't accept 2c/h for somethin