Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
> VNC takes over the console on the remote machine. What if somebody else is using that, or there isn't one (headless server)? David, are you sure about that? I did at lot of work in F1 on VNC to workstations... as I remember VNC sessions are not on the 'root window' by default. I did a lot of w

Re: [Beowulf] Defective Mellanox EDR Switches

2018-06-07 Thread Kilian Cavalotti
Although I don't have the specifics at hand right now, I can confirm that we've observed the same thing in our installation as well: a couple SB7890 switches that exhibited the same symptoms, after about one year in production. We've also seen one SB7800 (ie. managed) failing in the same way. And

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems

2018-06-07 Thread Tim Cutts
That’s only the case for Windows servers, isn’t it? UNIX machines can run arbitrary numbers of VNC servers from user land, if I remember correctly, although that’s not a VNC console of course. For Windows servers I’d use RDP anyway. I have to admit, all of these solutions are ropey to some ext

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems

2018-06-07 Thread Brian Oborn
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 4:53 PM, David Mathog wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:03:59 -0300 Hernan Olivera wrote > >> I've solved this using RDP instead VNC, with very improved velocity. You >> have to deal with installing and configuring it in the server, but it >> works >> fine. >> > > VNC takes ov

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems

2018-06-07 Thread David Mathog
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 14:03:59 -0300 Hernan Olivera wrote I've solved this using RDP instead VNC, with very improved velocity. You have to deal with installing and configuring it in the server, but it works fine. VNC takes over the console on the remote machine. What if somebody else is using

Re: [Beowulf] FPGA storage accelerator

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Samuel
On Friday, 8 June 2018 1:06:33 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: > ATM Networking? ATM isn't dead, it's just morphed a little... http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/adsl_theory_atm cheers, Chris (built an on-site ATM network back in the mid 90s) -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne

Re: [Beowulf] Defective Mellanox EDR Switches

2018-06-07 Thread Ryan Novosielski
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Ryan Novosielski wrote: > >> On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Peter Kjellström wrote: >> >> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 03:12:43 + >> Ryan Novosielski wrote: >> >>> One slight correction: 100% of our switches with FRU PN 00WE097/PN >>> 00WE096Y manufactured on 2016-11-28 (

Re: [Beowulf] Fwd: Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Samuel
On Friday, 8 June 2018 1:38:11 AM AEST John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > The report interestingly makes a comparison to cruise lines and the US Navy > having large IT infrastructures at sea. Some oil & gas companies have HPC systems onboard their survey vessels to process data at sea. One exampl

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Hernan Olivera
Hi all I've solved this using RDP instead VNC, with very improved velocity. You have to deal with installing and configuring it in the server, but it works fine. Cheers 2018-06-07 13:36 GMT-03:00 David Mathog : > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:29:52 "Gavin W. Burris" wrote: > >> I came here to say what

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread James Cloos
> "DM" == David Mathog writes: DM> Are there any X11 GUI editors that are less sensitive to these issues? You'll want one which uses xerver-side fonts instead of client-side fonts (ie fonts shows by xlsfonts rather than ones shown by fc-list) and to avoid all recent x11 toolkits (gtk, qt or

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Samuel
On Friday, 8 June 2018 1:03:06 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: > And I'm definitely not an expert on Orkney, but I did work with a guy > from Scotland, and I'm pretty sure he had stories about how sparsely > populated Orkney was due to the rugged terrain and inhospitable weather, > so this test cas

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Samuel
On Friday, 8 June 2018 12:20:04 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: > I imagine it would have to be filtered, too, to keep small marine life > and debris from clogging up the piping. I wonder if any forms of marine > life in that part of the ocean would like the warm water inside the > heat exchangers

Re: [Beowulf] Defective Mellanox EDR Switches

2018-06-07 Thread Ryan Novosielski
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Peter Kjellström wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 03:12:43 + > Ryan Novosielski wrote: > >> One slight correction: 100% of our switches with FRU PN 00WE097/PN >> 00WE096Y manufactured on 2016-11-28 (quantity 3) have failed, and one >> same FRU PN/PN manufactured o

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread David Mathog
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 08:29:52 "Gavin W. Burris" wrote: I came here to say what Ryan just did. X11 < VNC < NX < FastX My experience with X11 and VNC for on campus connections was that the speed order was the other way around for those two. Perhaps it matters which VNC is used. NX is the Siem

Re: [Beowulf] Fwd: Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
The report interestingly makes a comparison to cruise lines and the US Navy having large IT infrastructures at sea. I guess cruise ships of course have servers plus satcomms, as do warships. But the thought of the SOSUS sonar chain comes to mind... then again those electronics will be down a lot de

Re: [Beowulf] Fwd: Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Joe Landman
On 06/07/2018 11:18 AM, Douglas Eadline wrote: -snip- i'm not sure i see a point in all this anyhow, it's a neat science experiment, but what's the ROI on sinking a container full of servers vs just pumping cold seawater from 100ft down I had the same thought. You could even do a salt wate

Re: [Beowulf] Fwd: Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Douglas Eadline
-snip- > > i'm not sure i see a point in all this anyhow, it's a neat science > experiment, but what's the ROI on sinking a container full of servers > vs just pumping cold seawater from 100ft down > I had the same thought. You could even do a salt water/clear water heat exchange and not have the

Re: [Beowulf] FPGA storage accelerator

2018-06-07 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 06/07/2018 01:31 AM, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > It’s so interesting to look at what was old being new again though.  Lovely insight as always Joe! Indeed. Ideas always come around again in computing. My aphorism - always follow the herd. Look at what everyone is buying an implementi

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 06/06/2018 09:13 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: On Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:34:54 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: Has anybody seen any more details on how the cooling actually occurs withing the capsule? There's a bit more here: https://datacenterfrontier.com/the-watery-edge-microsoft-deploys-und

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Tim Cutts
On 7 Jun 2018, at 03:14, James Cuff mailto:jc...@nextplatform.com>> wrote: I miss SGI jot. It had this super strange GL offload to the client that I’ve never seen since. http://rainbow.ldeo.columbia.edu/documentation/sgi-faq/apps/6.html You’re a very bad man, Cuff. Jot, and everything els

[Beowulf] Fwd: Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Michael Di Domenico
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > > I imagine it would have to be filtered, too, to keep small marine life and > debris from clogging up the piping. I wonder if any forms of marine life in > that part of the ocean would like the warm water inside the heat exchangers > or a

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Skylar Thompson
vim actually can actually use SCP automatically using URL-style file paths: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Editing_remote_files_via_scp_in_vim On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 07:22:57AM +0800, Deng Xiaodong wrote: > In this case I would think SSH + nano/vi may be better choice as the data > transited is less.

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Lawrence Stewart
> On 2018, Jun 6, at 9:13 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: > > On Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:34:54 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: > >> Has anybody seen any more details on how the cooling actually occurs withing >> the capsule? > > There's a bit more here: > > https://datacenterfrontier.com/the-watery-

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Prentice Bisbal
I should also add that Chris' URL provides a much better shot of the racks going into the capsule, where you can see heat exchangers and their fans are incorporate into the rack structure itself. In the picture I commented on yesterday, you couldn't see that. It just looked like the computer ra

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 06/06/2018 09:13 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: On Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:34:54 AM AEST Prentice Bisbal wrote: Has anybody seen any more details on how the cooling actually occurs withing the capsule? There's a bit more here: https://datacenterfrontier.com/the-watery-edge-microsoft-deploys-und

Re: [Beowulf] Defective Mellanox EDR Switches

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Kjellström
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 03:12:43 + Ryan Novosielski wrote: > One slight correction: 100% of our switches with FRU PN 00WE097/PN > 00WE096Y manufactured on 2016-11-28 (quantity 3) have failed, and one > same FRU PN/PN manufactured on 2016-12-15 too. We have another switch > with FRU PN 00WE093/PN 0

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:04:07 -0700, you wrote: >On 06-Jun-2018 15:28, Fred Youhanaie wrote: >> Does enabling ssh compression with -C help? > >The local side is over putty from a Windows machine. Enabled its ssh >compression option, which I think is the same thing. It didn't make a >noticeable

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Gavin W. Burris
On Wed 06/06/18 05:29PM EDT, Ryan Novosielski wrote: > Pretty sure your problem is X11, not the editor. VNC or FastX or NX or > similar would likely solve the problem. I came here to say what Ryan just did. X11 < VNC < NX < FastX Or just skip it and use the MobaXterm file browser to open the re

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Tony Brian Albers
No problem, I didn't think you were trying to. Are you in Copenhagen? Enjoy your stay. I was born and raised there, but now I live in the countryside and work in Aarhus -suits me a lot better. /tony On 2018-06-07 10:08, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > Tony, I really did not mean to shoot you

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Tony, I really did not mean to shoot you down. Yes thin terminals, but they have smart processing. And hello from a sunny Kobenhavn. On 7 June 2018 at 10:05, Tony Brian Albers wrote: > I see, so quite a bit more than what SR's could. > > Thanks for the clarification. > > /tony > > On 2018-06-07

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Tony Brian Albers
I see, so quite a bit more than what SR's could. Thanks for the clarification. /tony On 2018-06-07 09:29, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > Tony, not to be rude but not really. > Teradici is more than thin terminals. They apply smart compression, > which I am told compresses textual parts of the

Re: [Beowulf] Project Natick

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Thinking about submarines, I mentioned a UK secure site on another thread. That site may or may not have been something to do with submarines. I have never been on board a submarine, however if I was faced with the problem of cooling on board one I would shy away from what that article implies, ie

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Tony, not to be rude but not really. Teradici is more than thin terminals. They apply smart compression, which I am told compresses textual parts of the screen differently to graphics. They also have 'buidl to lossless' for slower links - so if you rotate a model it is blurry then sharpens up to lo

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
As I am on the subject, it can be hard to assess exactly what the problem is with remote graphics. Remember that a squeaky wheel gets more attention. I was involved with one link to a site in Europe which was using CAD remotely. I really was never sure whether or not the users were just unhappy th

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread Tony Brian Albers
> Teradici PCOIP - I used the hardware version of PCOIP with cards in > workstations and zero (thin) clients on desks. > Works great. Completely transparent to users. If you are working in a > secure environment then you should really, really look at this. > I had one customer who was working at

Re: [Beowulf] OT, X11 editor which works well for very remote systems?

2018-06-07 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
> Makes me think. 1st workshop. Can’t ever be the first time this question has been asked. Also David, absolutely not OT. Very much on topic. Maybe... For my contribution if you use Windows then MobaXterm is an excellent tool. IT wraps up Putty, VNC, Cygwin X server etc. etc in one package. For