Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Christopher Samuel
Hiya, On 28/08/14 22:49, "C. Bergström" wrote: > The linux kernel is open source, but what about the highly modified > compute node OS which are common? I doubt there's a single customer who > has requested the source and published those modifications.. The only one I'm aware of that's around th

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
(sorry about top post.. Outlook.. need I say more) This time of year (end of US Govt Fiscal Year) is a time for reports and such. As Scott points out, program managers are always under the gun to show that R&D investments that they have made are “transitioning to operational use” or that the i

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Joshua Mora
> This is something China readily admits, and is > working to address.* At the pace their, moving though, I imagine it > won't be long before this is fixed, but a cultural change like that > would still probably take some time, I'd say 10 or more years. I read on an interview to a scientist on

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Douglas Eadline
What the hell, I'll bite, and I did not read the full report. "There has been very little open source that has made its way into broad use within the HPC commercial community where great emphasis is placed on serviceability and security." This sentence seems to imply that serviceability an

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 08/28/2014 10:17 AM, Joshua Mora wrote: The codesign effort pushed by the new requirements/constraints (power and performance) is shaking design decision of existing SW frameworks, hence forcing to get rewritten overtime to add new fundamental functionality (eg. progress threads for asynchron

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Joshua Mora
The codesign effort pushed by the new requirements/constraints (power and performance) is shaking design decision of existing SW frameworks, hence forcing to get rewritten overtime to add new fundamental functionality (eg. progress threads for asynchronous communication and fault tolerance). The

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
Gavin, You didn't read the full sentence. The keyword is 'commercial' (I added the emphasis): There has been very little open source that has made its way into broad use within the HPC COMMERCIAL community where great emphasis is placed on serviceability and security This shouldn't be

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
Disclaimer: I didn't read the full report. I was only responding to the quote included in the original e-mail. It sounds like Gavin was responding to the whole report, based on subsequent posts. I'll read the whole report and then post my own obligatory rant. Prentice On 08/28/2014 09:50 AM

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread atchley tds.net
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: > Hi, C. > > Yes, there are many closed source, domain-specific, proprietary tools, and > I > like them! Any full HPC stack has many open source pieces as functional > components. One cannot pick what does or does not count. > > To this re

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Gavin W. Burris
On 08:46AM Thu 08/28/14 -0400, Ellis H. Wilson III wrote: > Reads like a grant to me! > Snort my coffee there. Hilarious. -- Gavin W. Burris Senior Project Leader for Research Computing The Wharton School University of Pennsylvania ___ Beowulf maili

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Gavin W. Burris
Hi, C. Yes, there are many closed source, domain-specific, proprietary tools, and I like them! Any full HPC stack has many open source pieces as functional components. One cannot pick what does or does not count. To this reports defense, it does read as if to reference the near future, a fut

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread C. Bergström
On 08/28/14 07:26 PM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: Hi, Bill. This is perplexing... So, the Linux kernel and supporting tools that make the operating system aren't being factored in here? The compiler? The libraries? If "very little open source" has "made its way into broad use within HPC," what OS

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 08/28/2014 08:26 AM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: So, the Linux kernel and supporting tools that make the operating system aren't being factored in here? The compiler? The libraries? If "very little open source" has "made its way into broad use within HPC," what OS are the majority running if not

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Dmitri Chubarov
Hi, Gavin, It seems to be an inevitable conclusion that in the view of the authors of the Report Beowulf is not HPC. All the best On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Gavin W. Burris wrote: > Hi, Bill. > > This is perplexing... > > So, the Linux kernel and supporting tools that make the operating

Re: [Beowulf] Open source and the Draft Report of the Task Force on High Performance Computing

2014-08-28 Thread Gavin W. Burris
Hi, Bill. This is perplexing... So, the Linux kernel and supporting tools that make the operating system aren't being factored in here? The compiler? The libraries? If "very little open source" has "made its way into broad use within HPC," what OS are the majority running if not Linux? T