Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread John Hearns
On 03/07/2014, Joseph Landman wrote: > > > > Now just get all those writing rfps to stop with the madness. The number > and it's pursuit are one of the more significant causes of entropy (as in > waste heat generation ) as I have ever seen. A dubious metric at best with > extremely limited, if a

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/14 07:37, James Cuff wrote: > Repeat after me: > > "Top 500 scores mean nothing!" I was at a talk about the SKA project on Tuesday night here in Melbourne, and it touched on just this problem. They need about 7PF of FFTs alone. Unfortun

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Jeff Johnson
To me it seems that the top lines of the Top500 list have become more about nation-state appendage measuring than about real science. China spiked the ball squarely in jump-the-shark territory. Tianhe-2 will likely end up like most of the venues built for the Beijing Summer Olympics. On 7/2/14,

Re: [Beowulf] Gentoo in the HPC environment

2014-07-02 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/07/14 16:19, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > How would the same arguments apply if you are just dealing with > dns servers web servers databases etc. Sorry, I thought we were still talking about dealing with multiple compiler versions in HPC. The t

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Joseph Landman
On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:31 PM, James Cuff wrote: Let this be a lesson to us all. Repeat after me: "Top 500 scores mean nothing!" But ... But ... Shiny ... Precious ... Please pardon brevity and typos ... Sent from my iPhone As a community we have to stop this madness! 100k / day. Sigh. N

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Joseph Landman
> On Jul 2, 2014, at 5:55 PM, James Cuff wrote: > > > 404: E_NO_SCIENCE > James wins the internets today! Please pardon brevity and typos ... Sent from my iPhone ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change yo

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Caio Freitas
Well, to think that it's been an issue even with game consoles like PS3, and people have yet not learned... :/ 2014-07-02 18:37 GMT-03:00 James Cuff : > > Let this be a lesson to us all. > > Repeat after me: > > "Top 500 scores mean nothing!" > > As a community we have to stop this madness! 100

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread James Cuff
Let this be a lesson to us all. Repeat after me: "Top 500 scores mean nothing!" As a community we have to stop this madness! 100k / day. Sigh. J. On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, Jeff Johnson wrote: > $100,000 (USD) per day to operate, users get billed. > > "It's like a giant with a super b

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread James Cuff
404: E_NO_SCIENCE On Wednesday, July 2, 2014, "C. Bergström" wrote: > On 07/ 3/14 04:17 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: > >> If they want to spend a bazillion dollars to run hpl faster than anyone >> else who am I to stop them. >> >> If however they want to do real science perhaps they need to archit

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Jeff Johnson
On 7/2/14, 2:35 PM, Joseph Landman wrote: > Please pardon brevity and typos ... Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 2, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jeff Johnson >> wrote: >> >> $100,000 (USD) per day to operate, users get billed. >> >>"It's like a giant with a super body but without the software to >>su

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Joseph Landman
Please pardon brevity and typos ... Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Jeff Johnson > wrote: > > $100,000 (USD) per day to operate, users get billed. > >"It's like a giant with a super body but without the software to >support its thinking soul," Chi said. Some users would

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Jeff Johnson
$100,000 (USD) per day to operate, users get billed. "It's like a giant with a super body but without the software to support its thinking soul," Chi said. Some users would need years or even a decade to write the necessary code, he added. Ouch... On 7/2/14, 2:21 PM, "C. Bergström" w

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread C. Bergström
On 07/ 3/14 04:28 AM, James Cuff wrote: 404: E_NO_SCIENCE lol - check my last email - they didn't pull it and the original link just got cut - probably by original email client ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Comput

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread C. Bergström
On 07/ 3/14 04:17 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: If they want to spend a bazillion dollars to run hpl faster than anyone else who am I to stop them. If however they want to do real science perhaps they need to architect something more manageable. They should bust that thing up into 3 or 4 clusters. O

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread C. Bergström
On 07/ 3/14 04:17 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: If they want to spend a bazillion dollars to run hpl faster than anyone else who am I to stop them. If however they want to do real science perhaps they need to architect something more manageable. They should bust that thing up into 3 or 4 clusters. 40

Re: [Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Jeff Johnson
If they want to spend a bazillion dollars to run hpl faster than anyone else who am I to stop them. If however they want to do real science perhaps they need to architect something more manageable. They should bust that thing up into 3 or 4 clusters. On 7/2/14, 2:11 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: >

[Beowulf] I'm so glad I didn't buy one of these

2014-07-02 Thread Douglas Eadline
China's world-beating supercomputer fails to impress some potential clients http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1543226/chinas-world-beating-supercomputer-fails-imp -- Doug -- Mailscanner: Clean ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org spo

Re: [Beowulf] Gentoo in the HPC environment

2014-07-02 Thread Matt Wallis
On 2 Jul 2014, at 4:19 pm, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > How would the same arguments apply if you are just dealing with dns > servers web servers databases etc. If you're just dealing with standard services then you're not really doing high performance clustering, but fault tolerance. In a typi