Re: [Beowulf] The GPU power envelope (was difference between accelerators)

2013-03-14 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
I think what you've got here is basically the idea that "things that are closer, consume less power and cost less because you don't have the "interface cost". A FPU sitting on the bus with the integer ALU inside the chip has minimum overhead.. No going on and off chip and the associated level shif

Re: [Beowulf] Intel Phi musings

2013-03-14 Thread Bill Wichser
Apparently, now that we finally received our own Phi's, this blog has been taken down? I read through it as content was being added but did not copy down anything. Did I miss an announcement of a move? Bill On 02/12/2013 10:02 AM, Dr Stuart Midgley wrote: > I've started a blog to document the

[Beowulf] Power calculations , double precision, ECC and power of APU's

2013-03-14 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: > trinity a10-5700 has 384 radeon 69xx cores running at 760 MHz, > delivering 584 SP gflops - 65W iirc. but only 30 GB/s for it and > the CPU. > > let's compare that to a 6930 card: 1280 cores, 154 GB/s, 1920 Gflops. > about 1/3 the cores, flops,

[Beowulf] The GPU power envelope (was difference between accelerators)

2013-03-14 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: > >>> I think HSA is potentially interesting for HPC, too. >>> I really expect >>> AMD and/or Intel to ship products this year that have a C/GPU chip >>> mounted on >>> the same interposer as some high-bandwidth ram. >> >> How can an integrated gpu o

Re: [Beowulf] difference between accelerators and co-processors

2013-03-14 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Mar 12, 2013, at 5:45 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: >>> I don't think it is a useful distinction: both are basiclly >>> independent >>> computers. obviously, the programming model of Phi is dramatically >>> more >>> like a conventional processor than Nvidia. >>> >> >> Mark, that's the marketing talk a

Re: [Beowulf] difference between accelerators and co-processors

2013-03-14 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
hi Amjad, I would like to point to 1 really important practical difference. co-processors can have magnificent latency from the co-processor to the cpu. In the nano-seconds. Accelerators i'd argue typically go via pci-e or similar, so have horrible latency, in the microseconds or slower. Acc