Re: [Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Hahn
> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2013-02-28/utility_supercomputing_heats_up.html well, it's HPC wire - I always assume their name is acknowledgement that their content is much like "HPC PR wire", often or mostly vendor-sponsored. call me ivory-tower, but this sort of thing: Cycle has see

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Hi all, answers are inserted. On Donnerstag 28 Februar 2013 Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 02/28/2013 05:00 AM, Hearns, John wrote: > > I think this has been discussed here before, but it is a pretty > > innovative product: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/28/wet_servers_cut_cooling_cos

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 3/1/13 11:00 AM, "Mark Hahn" wrote: >> For future reference, I just looked up these thermal conductivities: >> >> Air : 0.024 W/m-k (at 298K) >> Water: 0.58 W/m-k (at 300K) >> Mineral oil: 0.162 W/m-k >> 3M Novec 7000: 0.075 W/m-k > >H2 is 0.168 at 25C. *that* is what we should all be cool

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
They're starting the 1 april joke a month early :) On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Hearns, John wrote: > I think this has been discussed here before, but it is a pretty > innovative product: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/28/ > wet_servers_cut_cooling_costs_research_leeds_universi

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
On Freitag 01 März 2013 Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 03/01/2013 02:00 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: > >> For future reference, I just looked up these thermal conductivities: > >> > >> Air : 0.024 W/m-k (at 298K) > >> Water: 0.58 W/m-k (at 300K) > >> Mineral oil: 0.162 W/m-k > >> 3M Novec 7000: 0.075 W/m-k

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 3/1/13 8:16 AM, "Joe Landman" wrote: >On 03/01/2013 10:45 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> Using this numbers, Water is 24x better than air Mineral oil is 6.75x >> better than air 3M Novec 7000 is only 3.125x better What is clearly >> much better than the other alternatives for heat transfer. I

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 03/01/2013 11:01 AM, Hearns, John wrote: > No. Absolutely not. > What is clearly much better is that HPC staff be provided with a steady > supply of malt whisky for cooling, > complete with a drain tap with which we can draw off frequent samples for > analysis. > For the finest thermal conduct

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Hearns, John
> For future reference, I just looked up these thermal conductivities: > Air : 0.024 W/m-k (at 298K) > Water: 0.58 W/m-k (at 300K) > Mineral oil: 0.162 W/m-k > 3M Novec 7000: 0.075 W/m-k Alcohol:0.171 W/m-k > Using this numbers, > Water is 24x better than air > Mineral oil is 6.75x bet

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 03/01/2013 02:00 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: >> For future reference, I just looked up these thermal conductivities: >> >> Air : 0.024 W/m-k (at 298K) >> Water: 0.58 W/m-k (at 300K) >> Mineral oil: 0.162 W/m-k >> 3M Novec 7000: 0.075 W/m-k > > H2 is 0.168 at 25C. *that* is what we should all be coo

Re: [Beowulf] Intel Phi musings

2013-03-01 Thread Igor Kozin
Vectorization is crucial for getting performance out of Phi. Intel SPMD Program Compiler runs on Phi http://ispc.github.com/ but it's probably not an officially supported product. On 28 February 2013 03:30, "C. Bergström" wrote: > Unless I missed something I only see this being wrapped around som

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Hahn
> For future reference, I just looked up these thermal conductivities: > > Air : 0.024 W/m-k (at 298K) > Water: 0.58 W/m-k (at 300K) > Mineral oil: 0.162 W/m-k > 3M Novec 7000: 0.075 W/m-k H2 is 0.168 at 25C. *that* is what we should all be cooling our clusters with! > Sources: > http://www.en

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Joe Landman
On 03/01/2013 10:45 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > Using this numbers, Water is 24x better than air Mineral oil is 6.75x > better than air 3M Novec 7000 is only 3.125x better What is clearly > much better than the other alternatives for heat transfer. If only it > wasn't conductive, and corrosive

[Beowulf] Utility Supercomputing...

2013-03-01 Thread James Cuff
Hey team Beowulf, So most of you know that I headed out from being the research computing guy at Harvard to join Cycle Computing last month. It's been a fun first few weeks, what with 10,000+ server instances pinging up in hours flat and doing some stunning science to boot! Anyway, I noticed the

Re: [Beowulf] Innovative liquid cooling

2013-03-01 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 02/28/2013 09:12 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: >> Actually, since the thermal conductivity of the liquid is so much better >> than air, you probably don't need finned heat sinks. Heat transfer rates is > well, you don't need AS MUCH surface area and/or can tolerate lower flow. > even given better conduc