Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 01:14:39AM -0500, Mark Hahn wrote: > > At some point, light speed becomes the limiting factor, and for that, > > reducing physical size is important. > > we're quite a way away from that. I don't see a lot of pressure to > improve fabrics below 1 us latency (or so), ie,

Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Mark Hahn
> "consumer" products. And then, there's the "Win on Sunday, sell on > Monday" effect, which I don't think needs any explanation. there's a premise here which I think is mistaken. this theory depends on the F1 circuit having a very different cost-effectiveness requirement. that team X will spend

Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Mark Hahn
>> Commodity mother boards are similar or equal to supercomputer >> hardware. uh, sorta. first, ECC. when I'm feeling particularly surly, I'd claim that ECC is not commodity - it's smaller volume, higher price, almost unheard of in the high-volume (consumer) market. (which is appropriate, since

Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 11/28/12 8:18 AM, "Alan Louis Scheinine" wrote: > >Prentice writes: >> An even more cynical view say that the HPC vendors lobby the government >> to believe exascale is important so the government invests in it and >> subsidizes their R&D. > >Whether a few big exaflops computer or many teraf

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Gus Correa
On 11/28/2012 02:17 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: > > I don't think either Gb or IB are a good match for the many/little > approach being discussed. SiCortex was pretty focused on providing > an appropriate network, though the buying public didn't seem to > appreciate the nuance. > ... and those who did a

Re: [Beowulf] [OMPI users] cluster with iOS or Android devices?

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
You might want to post in beowulf mailing list see cc and you want to install linux of course. OpenFabrics releases openmpi, yet it only works at a limited number of distributions - most important is having the correct kernel (usually old kernel). I'm gonna try get it to work at debian soon.

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 11/28/2012 11:27 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11/27/2012 07:32 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > >

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 11/28/2012 11:27 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > >> >> On 11/27/2012 07:32 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >>> On 11/27/2012 03:37 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: > >> My

Re: [Beowulf] Intel introducing BGA packaging

2012-11-28 Thread mathog
John Hearns wrote: > > > http://www.zdnet.com/intel-preparing-to-put-an-end-to-user-replaceable-cpus-708024/ > > Class, discuss. Currently one can buy a motherboard and then select one of many processors that fit it, based on price/performance tradeoffs. So if there are 4 mobos and 5 proces

[Beowulf] A 10, 000-node Grid Engine Cluster in Amazon EC2 (was: Weekend Cloud Reading)

2012-11-28 Thread Rayson Ho
1) We ran a 10,000-node cluster on Amazon EC2 for Grid Engine scalability testing a few weeks ago: http://blogs.scalablelogic.com/2012/11/running-1-node-grid-engine-cluster.html We received lots of help from the Amazon guys, and we (= Open Grid Scheduler & Scalable Logic) wouldn't be able to

Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Alan Louis Scheinine wrote: > > Prentice writes: >> An even more cynical view say that the HPC vendors lobby the >> government >> to believe exascale is important so the government invests in it and >> subsidizes their R&D. > > Whether a few big exaflops computer or

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > > On 11/27/2012 07:32 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> >>> >>> On 11/27/2012 03:37 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: > My interest in Arm has been the flip side of balancing flops to

Re: [Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Alan Louis Scheinine
Prentice writes: > An even more cynical view say that the HPC vendors lobby the government > to believe exascale is important so the government invests in it and > subsidizes their R&D. Whether a few big exaflops computer or many teraflop computers, the computational needs exceed what is now av

[Beowulf] Is there really a need for Exascale?

2012-11-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 11/28/2012 02:17 AM, Mark Hahn wrote: > > as heretical as it sounds, I have to ask: where is the need for exaflop? > I'm a bit skeptical about the import of the extreme high end of HPC - > or to but it another way, I think much of the real action is in jobs > that are only a few teraflops in s

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 11/27/2012 07:32 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > >> >> On 11/27/2012 03:37 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: >>> My interest in Arm has been the flip side of balancing flops to network bandwidth. A standard dual socket (AMD or In

Re: [Beowulf] Intel introducing BGA packaging

2012-11-28 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 11/28/2012 09:22 AM, Hearns, John wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/intel-preparing-to-put-an-end-to-user-replaceable-cpus-708024/ Do we have any idea about whether or not they will even plan to release some of their cpus in oem packaging? I.E., not on a mobo? There are a class of modders ou

[Beowulf] Intel introducing BGA packaging

2012-11-28 Thread Hearns, John
http://www.zdnet.com/intel-preparing-to-put-an-end-to-user-replaceable-cpus-708024/ Class, discuss. John Hearns | CFD Hardware Specialist | McLaren Racing Limited McLaren Technology Centre, Chertsey Road, Woking, Surrey GU21 4YH, UK T: +44 (0) 1483 262000 D: +44 (0) 1483 262352 F: +44 (0

Re: [Beowulf] What about ceph then?

2012-11-28 Thread atchley tds.net
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > http://ceph.com/ Ceph is a distributed object-store (RADOS) with interfaces for various upper levels including a POSIX-interface (also called ceph). A couple of nice features include automated replication (three by default) and objects are

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 06:17:55PM -0500, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > > On 11/27/2012 03:37 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: > > > >> My interest in Arm has been the flip side of balancing flops to network > >> bandwidth. A standard dual socket (AMD or Intel) can trivially saturate > >> GigE. One option

Re: [Beowulf] What about ceph then?

2012-11-28 Thread Hearns, John
Ceph is everything but a floor wax and a desert topping. It is an open-source distributed object store that was designed to be distributed from the get-go, El Reg was told by James Duncan, CTO at Inktank, the developer and commercial support provider for Ceph. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/

Re: [Beowulf] What about ceph then?

2012-11-28 Thread Andrew Holway
http://ceph.com/docs/master/rados/ Ceph looks to be a fully distributed object store. 2012/11/28 Jonathan Aquilina > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > >> http://ceph.com/ > > > > What sets ceph apart from something like CIFS or NFS in terms of file > storage? > > Jona

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Hearns, John
> I'm a bit skeptical about the import of the extreme high end of HPC - 4k photorealism at 60+ fps with full physics at <1 kW footprint. Most gamers would sell their souls for this. This isn't exascale, but it would just use a small slice of the same pie. Not just gamers - Trekkies too (though

Re: [Beowulf] What about ceph then?

2012-11-28 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > http://ceph.com/ What sets ceph apart from something like CIFS or NFS in terms of file storage? Jonathan Aquilina ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To

Re: [Beowulf] ARM cpu's and development boards and research

2012-11-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 02:17:37AM -0500, Mark Hahn wrote: > "small pieces tightly connected", maybe. these machines offer very nice > power-performance for those applications that can scale efficiently to > say, tens of thousands of cores. (one rack of BGQ is 32k cores.) Consider a silicon co

[Beowulf] What about ceph then?

2012-11-28 Thread Andrew Holway
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