Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/24/12 7:24 PM, "Joe Landman" wrote: >On 10/24/2012 10:20 PM, Josh Catana wrote: >> As some working in HPC as an indefinite length contractor in the U.S. >> this topic intrigues me. Even though the company I contract for has me >> training their new employees and basically in control of ev

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Landman
On 10/24/2012 10:20 PM, Josh Catana wrote: > As some working in HPC as an indefinite length contractor in the U.S. > this topic intrigues me. Even though the company I contract for has me > training their new employees and basically in control of everything in > their environment for the last 3 yea

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:26 AM, Joe Landman wrote: > On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> I bet in engineering and math type sciences plenty of funding from >> companies. > > Think again. > >> >> This lady was however in a more social area. >> >> So her statement is totally correct. >

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Landman
On 10/24/2012 12:40 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > I bet in engineering and math type sciences plenty of funding from > companies. Think again. > > This lady was however in a more social area. > > So her statement is totally correct. > > I explain this, my words, as a feudal system where you have

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Landman
On 10/24/2012 03:00 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: >> But, in any case, I think "Doktor" in Germany (essentially a professional >> qualification) is quite different from "PhD" in the US (an academic >> qualification) > > Not at all, in hard sciences the Ph.D's are all the same. The next phase, the habili

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Landman
On 10/24/2012 04:25 PM, Ellis H. Wilson III wrote: > Just my (admittedly biased) 2c of course, but I am very interested to be > corrected here if there are some secret society components to a "hard > science" PhD I'm unaware of. The first rule of the secret society is, don't talk about the secret

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Herbert Fruchtl
Some interesting statements here, even though some of them based on hearsay and anecdotes. Since the discussion focuses on Germany (where I studied, albeit a few decades ago; things may have changed) and the UK (where I work at a University), here my 2 cents/pence: As for the OP: I don't know i

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/24/2012 03:00 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > Not at all, in hard sciences the Ph.D's are all the same. > > Of course a Ph.D. in computer science is quite different > from mandatory Ph.D. and postdoc degrees like in life > sciences and chemistry. Feel free to elaborate. Having worked for two years

Re: [Beowulf] One big cluster: How CloudFlare launched 10 data centers in 30 days

2012-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Joe Abley - From: Joe Abley Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:15:20 -0500 To: Eugen Leitl Cc: NANOG list , "Beowulf@beowulf.org" Subject: Re: One big cluster: How CloudFlare launched 10 data centers in 30 days X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A405) On 2012-10-24, at 3

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 04:49:10PM +, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > Partly this might be the differences between the BS,MS,PhD system in > England and US and the Diplom, Doktor, Professor aspect in Germany, > especially with a Diplom Ing from a FachHochschulen. All changing of > course what with h

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/24/2012 09:19 AM, Hearns, John wrote: > . > > Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of > work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations > involved in HPC usually strictly require an advanced degree if you > want to be paid. > > > In the UK it is qui

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/24/2012 10:50 AM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > All those conferences i happily visit them - yet in most cases you > just see governments overrepresented there and a few lost companies > that want to sell equipment. Now companies are interesting to me yet > not for the sort of question written d

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/24/12 11:49, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > Oh man.. you all are opening a BIG can of worms here.. > > Testing for certifications has been fairly well discredited because it's too > easy to set up "certificate mills" and because the certifications tend to be > single manufacturer specific (e.g. C

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/24/12 7:50 AM, "Vincent Diepeveen" wrote: > >As for Germany, realize that in vaste majority of IT related >companies there, you won't even get a manager without PHD degree. > >My shelves here are overloaded with PHD thesises from German guys >which i would qualify as 'management paper'. U

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
I bet in engineering and math type sciences plenty of funding from companies. This lady was however in a more social area. So her statement is totally correct. I explain this, my words, as a feudal system where you have to take care for your own funding, either find a company to pay for it o

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Peter Clapham
For UK citizens & increasingly EU (where certain restrictions may apply), there are a wide range of PhD positions advertised. These generally come with finance from an external funding body, there are several of these. As Tim says the amount depends upon the funding body, the department and in

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
OTOH, when I transfered institutions between MS and PhD, what I learned from the process (on the administrative side) was that the only hard/real requirement was that I *pay* for 30 credit hours of research study. Call this a cautionary tale, in that you need to check out their academic AND a

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Oh man.. you all are opening a BIG can of worms here.. Testing for certifications has been fairly well discredited because it's too easy to set up "certificate mills" and because the certifications tend to be single manufacturer specific (e.g. Cisco Network Engineer, Microsoft Certified Profess

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
How's this happening in London? Interesting to hear more on this and dig it out, as a lady who did do her Master Degree in London, she came back 20 months ago as to do a PHD degree she had to pay in London. Her nationality is Dutch. I then approached a professor here who tried to talk to her.

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Tim Cutts
On 24 Oct 2012, at 16:09, Peter Clapham wrote: > On 24/10/2012 15:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Hearns, John wrote: >> >>> . >>> >>> Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of >>> work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisa

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Peter Clapham
On 24/10/2012 15:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Hearns, John wrote: > >> . >> >> Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of >> work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations >> involved in HPC usually strictly require an advance

Re: [Beowulf] Beobash 2012?

2012-10-24 Thread Douglas Eadline
Don't Panic, we will be announcing it very soon. -- Doug > Any word on date/time/venue on this traditional SC event? This will be > my first pass through Supercomputing and it would be great if I could > join in what has sounded like good fun in the past. > > Best, > > ellis > __

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/24/12 10:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > All those conferences i happily visit them - yet in most cases you > just see governments overrepresented there and a few lost companies > that want to sell equipment. Now companies are interesting to me yet > not for the sort of question written down h

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
All those conferences i happily visit them - yet in most cases you just see governments overrepresented there and a few lost companies that want to sell equipment. Now companies are interesting to me yet not for the sort of question written down here. The real scientists hardly show up there

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Hearns, John wrote: > . > > Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of > work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations > involved in HPC usually strictly require an advanced degree if you > want to be paid. > > > In the UK it

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Hearns, John
Have you thought of joining a professional society? For instance the IEEE or (again in the UK) the British Computer Society. then apply for Chartered Engineer status. The reason I am suggesting this is that quite often in the UK a job requires a degree OR EQUIVALENT In Germany things are of co

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Landman
On 10/24/2012 08:58 AM, Andrew Holway wrote: > Hello, > > I have no education. I left school at 16 and, in my mid 20's, somehow > got into supercomputing and now am doing all kinds of silly stuff. I hate to put it like this, but a degree is, in effect, a union card. I know I am gonna get hate ma

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/24/12 09:19, Hearns, John wrote: > Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of > work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations > involved in HPC usually strictly require an advanced degree if you > want to be paid. > > > In the UK it is quite normal f

Re: [Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Hearns, John
. Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations involved in HPC usually strictly require an advanced degree if you want to be paid. In the UK it is quite normal for people who want to gain qualifications whils

[Beowulf] Beobash 2012?

2012-10-24 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
Any word on date/time/venue on this traditional SC event? This will be my first pass through Supercomputing and it would be great if I could join in what has sounded like good fun in the past. Best, ellis ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org

[Beowulf] Degree

2012-10-24 Thread Andrew Holway
Hello, I have no education. I left school at 16 and, in my mid 20's, somehow got into supercomputing and now am doing all kinds of silly stuff. Thing is, I need some kind of degree in this stuff to do the kind of work I really want to do. Especially in Germany, organisations involved in HPC usual

[Beowulf] Course: Node-level performance engineering, LRZ Garching, Dec. 6-7, 2012

2012-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Georg Hager - From: Georg Hager Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:03:42 +0200 (CEST) To: eu...@leitl.org Subject: Course: Node-level performance engineering, LRZ Garching, Dec. 6-7, 2012 "Node-Level Performance Engineering" 6./7.12.2012 LRZ Garching, Room H.E.009 B

[Beowulf] One big cluster: How CloudFlare launched 10 data centers in 30 days

2012-10-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/one-big-cluster-how-cloudflare-launched-10-data-centers-in-30-days/ One big cluster: How CloudFlare launched 10 data centers in 30 days With high-performance computing, "pixie-booting" servers a half-world away. by Sean Gallagher - Oct 19 20