Re: [Beowulf] clustering using off the shelf systems in a fish tank full of oil.

2012-01-11 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 11/01/2012 18:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: On 12/29/2011 07:50 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: it's very useful Mark, as we know now he works for the company and also for which nation. Vi

Re: [Beowulf] clustering using off the shelf systems in a fish tank full of oil.

2012-01-11 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 11/01/2012 18:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: On 12/29/2011 07:50 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: it's very useful Mark, as we know now he works for the company and also for which nation. Vi

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
The whole purpose of PC's is that they are generic to use. I remember how in past decision taking bought low clocked junk for big price - much against the wish of the sysadmins who wanted a PC for every student exclusively. Outdated slow junk is not interesting to students. Now you and i might

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Interesting... That seems to be a growing trend, then. So, now we just have to wait for them to actually exist. The $35 B style board has Ethernet, and assuming one could netboot and operate "headless", then a stack o'raspberry PIs and a cheap Ethernet switch might be an alternate approach.

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
-Original Message- From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of Vincent Diepeveen Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:37 PM To: Beowulf Mailing List Subject: Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos Yes this was impossible to explain to a bunch of MiT f

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:58:13 AM Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > Also, does the Raspberry PI $25 price point include a power supply? I thought the plan was for them to be powered from the HDMI connector, but it appears I was wrong, it looks like it can use either microUSB or the GPIO header. http://el

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Chris Samuel
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:36:37 AM Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > So it's far from demonstrating clusterprogramming. Lightyears away. Whatever happpened to hacking on hardware just for the fun of it? Just because it's not going to be useful doesn't mean you won't learn from the experience, even if the

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Yes this was impossible to explain to a bunch of MiT folks as well, some of whom wrote your book i bet - yet the slower the processor, the more of a true SMP system it is. It's obvious that you missed that point. Writing code for a multicore is tougher, from SMP constraints viewpoint, than for a

Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Douglas Eadline
Hank Deitz, was at Purdue, now at Kentucky, see aggregate.org -- Doug > Arghh.. my google-fu is failing me.. > > I'm looking for the papers on the PAPERS cluster interface (based on using > parallel ports.. back in the 90s) and, of course, if you search for the > word papers, you get nothing use

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
-Original Message- From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of Vincent Diepeveen Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:47 PM To: Beowulf Mailing List Subject: Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos Jim, your microcontroller cluster is not a rather good

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Jan 11, 2012, at 11:47 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > Jim, your microcontroller cluster is not a rather good idea. > > Latency didn't keep up with the CPU speeds... > > Todays nodes have a CPU core or 12 and soon 16 which can execute, > let's take a simple integer example in my chessprogram an

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Jim, your microcontroller cluster is not a rather good idea. Latency didn't keep up with the CPU speeds... Todays nodes have a CPU core or 12 and soon 16 which can execute, let's take a simple integer example in my chessprogram and its IPC, about 24 instructions per cycle So nothing SIMD, just s

Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:27:31AM -0800, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > I'm looking for the papers on the PAPERS cluster interface (based on > using parallel ports.. back in the 90s) and, of course, if you It also came up a few times here on the list, e.g.: http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2004-Octob

Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Excellent.. Purdue.. and have we really been beowulfing since 1994? I'll be that the earliest clusters can legally buy alcohol now... So, If I build a cluster with Arduinos using the PAPERS style interface, what will it be called... BeoPaperDuino? From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [mailto:b

Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Thanks.. Also props to Juan Gallego who found it, too.. From: Jeff Becker [mailto:jeffrey.c.bec...@nasa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:35 AM To: Lux, Jim (337C) Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org Subject: Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface On 01/11/12 10:27, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: Arghh.. my google-f

Re: [Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22PAPERS%22%20parallel%20port%20interface&btnG=Google+Search http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1183&context=ecetr HTH, Sabuj Google Proxy Certified Search Partner On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > Arghh.. my go

[Beowulf] PAPERS interface

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Arghh.. my google-fu is failing me.. I'm looking for the papers on the PAPERS cluster interface (based on using parallel ports.. back in the 90s) and, of course, if you search for the word papers, you get nothing useful.. I can't remember who the authors were or where it was done (I'm thinking

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Yes.. And there's been a bunch of "value clusters" over the years (StoneSouperComputer, for instance).. But that's still $3k. I could see putting together 8 nodes for a few hundred dollars. Arduino Uno R3 is about $25 each in quantity. Think in terms of a small class where you want to have, sa

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> The Arduino Due, which is overdue in the marketplace, will have a > Cortex-M3 ARM processor. Completely superior chip that Cortex-M3. Though i couldn't program much for it so far - difficult to get contract jobs for. Can do fast multiplication 32 x 32 bits. You can even implement RSA very fa

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Yes.. better the widget that one can whip on down to Radio Shack and buy on my way home from work than the ghostware that may live for Christmas future. Also, does the Raspberry PI $25 price point include a power supply? The Arduino runs off the USB 5V power, so it's one less thing to hassle wit

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
That's all very expensive considering the cpu's are under $1 i'd guess. I actually might need some of this stuff some months from now to build some robots. On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Nathan Moore wrote: > I think something like the Raspberry Pi might be easier for this sort > of task. They'l

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 01/11/2012 11:18 AM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: >> >> For educational purposes.. >> >> Has anyone done something where they implement some sort of message >> passing API on a network of Arduinos. Since they cost only $20 each, >> and have a fa

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Nathan Moore
I think something like the Raspberry Pi might be easier for this sort of task. They'll also be about $25, but they'll run something like ARM/linux. Not out yet thought. http://www.raspberrypi.org/ On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 01/11/2012 11:18 AM, Lux, Jim (337C

Re: [Beowulf] clustering using off the shelf systems in a fish tank full of oil.

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > On 12/29/2011 07:50 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> it's very useful Mark, as we know now he works for the company and >> also for which nation. >> >> Vincent > > For someone who's always bashing on US Foreign policy, you sure sound > like a Re

Re: [Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 01/11/2012 11:18 AM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > > For educational purposes.. > > Has anyone done something where they implement some sort of message > passing API on a network of Arduinos. Since they cost only $20 each, > and have a fairly facile development environment, it seems you could > put

Re: [Beowulf] Course: Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > I don't have grey hair (part grey beard, I confess), but I have > plenty of > 70s era FORTRAN that benefits from parallelization. > Numerical Electromagnetics Code V4, specifically. > > The implementation has been throughly validated and hav

[Beowulf] A cluster of Arduinos

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
For educational purposes.. Has anyone done something where they implement some sort of message passing API on a network of Arduinos. Since they cost only $20 each, and have a fairly facile development environment, it seems you could put together a simple demonstration of parallel processing a

Re: [Beowulf] Course: Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems

2012-01-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
I don't have grey hair (part grey beard, I confess), but I have plenty of 70s era FORTRAN that benefits from parallelization. Numerical Electromagnetics Code V4, specifically. The implementation has been throughly validated and have been used for decades, finding all the little idiosyncracies and

Re: [Beowulf] Course: Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems

2012-01-11 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Yeah, the sheets are there from the 2003 lecture. filename LRZ210703_1.pdf Very helpful if you have grey hair and want to port your years 80 fortran code to todays HPC hardware. Vincent On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > - Forwarded message from Georg Hager erlangen.de> -

[Beowulf] Course: Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems

2012-01-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Georg Hager - From: Georg Hager Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:40:09 +0100 (CET) To: eu...@leitl.org Subject: Course: Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems "Parallel Programming of High Performance Systems" is the yearly course provided by LRZ and RRZE th