Re: [Beowulf] about 'man' Re: Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Peter St. John
I'm not a sysadmin, but I thought these days we were supposed to point [end]users at "help" or "doc" instead of man? Man is like sdb, it's great but not for everyone, you need context to appreciate it. I think in System V type derivatives it's usually "help"? peter On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 09:10:18AM -0400, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > My opinion is these these are shared resources, and if you aren't > interactively using them, you should log out to free up resources for > others. "running under screen" != "non-interactive". > I would like to remove screen from

[Beowulf] about 'man' Re: Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 10/21/11 9:12 AM, "Prentice Bisbal" wrote: > >Ellis, > >Using nohup was exactly the advice I gave to one of my users yesterday. >Not sure if he'll use it. 'man' is a very difficult program to learn, >from what I understand. Well... 'man' is easy, but sometimes, you need decent examples and t

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/21/11 12:12, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> If you give them an alternative that is well defined with an example >> (not just, "Oh you can use such-and-such instead.") I can hardly believe >> they'll be all that upset. >> > > Ellis, > > Using nohup was exactly the advice I gave to one of my user

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/21/2011 11:44 AM, Ellis H. Wilson III wrote: > On 10/21/11 09:10, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> Beowulfers, >> >> I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect >> it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using >> the screen command to stay logged

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/21/2011 11:24 AM, Reuti wrote: > Hi, > > Am 21.10.2011 um 15:10 schrieb Prentice Bisbal: > >> Beowulfers, >> >> I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect >> it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using >> the screen command to stay lo

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/21/2011 11:06 AM, Kilian Cavalotti wrote: > Hi Prentice, > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >>> Have you thought about queueing systems like condor or SGE? >> >> Yes, I have cluster that uses SGE, and we allow users to run serial jobs >> (non-MPI, etc.) there, so th

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 10/21/11 09:10, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > Beowulfers, > > I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect > it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using > the screen command to stay logged in on systems and running long jobs > that they forget a

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Reuti
Am 21.10.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Kilian Cavalotti: > Hi Prentice, > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >>> Have you thought about queueing systems like condor or SGE? >> >> Yes, I have cluster that uses SGE, and we allow users to run serial jobs >> (non-MPI, etc.) there, so

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Reuti
Hi, Am 21.10.2011 um 15:10 schrieb Prentice Bisbal: > Beowulfers, > > I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect > it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using > the screen command to stay logged in on systems and running long jobs > that t

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Gavin W. Burris
On 10/21/2011 11:06 AM, Kilian Cavalotti wrote: > Hi Prentice, > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >>> Have you thought about queueing systems like condor or SGE? >> >> Yes, I have cluster that uses SGE, and we allow users to run serial jobs >> (non-MPI, etc.) there, so t

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Kilian Cavalotti
Hi Prentice, On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> Have you thought about queueing systems like condor or SGE? > > Yes, I have cluster that uses SGE, and we allow users to run serial jobs > (non-MPI, etc.) there, so there is no need for them to use screen to > execute long-ru

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal
On 10/21/2011 09:44 AM, Henning Fehrmann wrote: > Hi Prentice, > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 09:10:18AM -0400, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >> Beowulfers, >> >> I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect >> it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users us

Re: [Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Guy Coates
On 21/10/11 14:10, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > Beowulfers, > > I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect > it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using > the screen command to stay logged in on systems and running long jobs > that they forget a

[Beowulf] Users abusing screen

2011-10-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal
Beowulfers, I have a question that isn't directly related to clusters, but I suspect it's an issue many of you are dealing with are dealt with: users using the screen command to stay logged in on systems and running long jobs that they forget about. Have any of you experienced this, and how did yo