Re: [Beowulf] OT: public random numbers?

2011-08-11 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, David Mathog wrote: > Since this is very OT, I'll try to keep it short. > > Here is the problem - imagine a group of people who neither know nor > trust each other, yet must agree on the fairness of a single random > number. Basically they are going to have a lottery. They a

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Yes, that too... From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Samuel [sam...@unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 20:51 To: beowulf@beowulf.org Subject: Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us --

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/11 04:19, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > The incompatibility arises because NASA is legally > obligated to distribute their products with no > downstream restrictions on use, Actually no - the NASA license is incompatible with the GPL (at least) b

Re: [Beowulf] Open source @NASA - WAS: OT

2011-08-11 Thread C. Bergström
On 08/12/11 01:19 AM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > > Closer to home for me, the NASA Open Source License (which was conjured up a > decade or so ago) is apparently incompatible with just about everyone else's > licenses. They had a "How do we encourage Open Source use at NASA" symposium > a few m

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Christopher Samuel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/08/11 22:04, Douglas Eadline wrote: > Most of you are probably not aware of this story > about trade secrets and Bash scripts on HPC clusters On the copyright side of things (not the trade secret stuff), my understanding (IANAL, etc) is that an

Re: [Beowulf] OT: public random numbers?

2011-08-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Low order digits from weather stations are not likely to be random. They're almost certainly converted from some quantized converter, and may actually have a double conversion (Celsius Fahrenheit) NWS and NOAA are actually part of the same organization, aren't they. (since the NWS web page at w

Re: [Beowulf] OT: public random numbers?

2011-08-11 Thread Peter St. John
David, I was thinking the National Weather Service, instead of NOAA; it's a vital public service that such information is recorded and diseminated for airfields and the like, e.g.: http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=bou So I would write a script to scrape least significant digits fro

Re: [Beowulf] OT: public random numbers?

2011-08-11 Thread Michael Di Domenico
How many random numbers per day are you expecting? If everyone checks at exactly 1pm, should they all see the same "random" number or should they each get their own "random" number? What kind of entropy are you expecting on "random"? On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:56 PM, David Mathog wrote: > Since th

[Beowulf] OT: public random numbers?

2011-08-11 Thread David Mathog
Since this is very OT, I'll try to keep it short. Here is the problem - imagine a group of people who neither know nor trust each other, yet must agree on the fairness of a single random number. Basically they are going to have a lottery. They aren't organized enough to generate such a number th

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Joe Landman
On 08/11/2011 03:28 PM, Gus Correa wrote: > Recent examples include fields perhaps more lucrative than HPC, > such as English muffins > (Bimbo Bakeries/Thomas English Muffins vs. Chris Botticella): > > http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2010-07-29-english-muffin-lawsuit_N.htm That muff

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Gus Correa
Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Douglas Eadline [mailto:deadl...@eadline.org] >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:59 AM >> To: Lux, Jim (337C) >> Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org >> Subject: RE: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us >> >> >> I had a chance to read some of t

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On > Behalf Of Joe Landman > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:54 AM > To: beowulf@beowulf.org > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us > > On 08/11/2011 01:40 PM, Lux, Jim (33

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Joe Landman
On 08/11/2011 01:40 PM, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > It's really depends on a corporate/organizational commitment to open > source to institute processes to keep all this stuff straight. (and > we won't even get into "open source" vs "able to redistribute") There are profoundly incorrect views runni

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: Douglas Eadline [mailto:deadl...@eadline.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:59 AM > To: Lux, Jim (337C) > Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org > Subject: RE: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us > > > I had a chance to read some of the depositions, really interes

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Douglas Eadline
I had a chance to read some of the depositions, really interesting and even embarrassing stuff. My guess is Atipa got angry when Bret and the other employees left to form a new company. They may have searched for ways to stop them and decided to go after them for what Atipa considered "trade secre

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread C. Bergström
On 08/11/11 07:04 PM, Douglas Eadline wrote: > > Most of you are probably not aware of this story > about trade secrets and Bash scripts on HPC clusters > (I was not until a few months ago) > >http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/308/33/ IANAL and this shouldn't be taken as legal advice

Re: [Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Interesting.. You wrote: There is a general understanding that unless explicitly marked in the contents of the script (the text file that is the Bash program), a Bash script is freely available for use and modification by anyone. In some cases there is a copyright notice or a license that allows

[Beowulf] All Your BASH Are Belong To Us

2011-08-11 Thread Douglas Eadline
Most of you are probably not aware of this story about trade secrets and Bash scripts on HPC clusters (I was not until a few months ago) http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/308/33/ -- Doug -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is bel