Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 02/17/11 17:40, Steve Crusan wrote: > That is a drinking game in itself. > > A) 1 shots: if you've destroyed something important because of a wrong vi(m) > keystroke This rule has the makings of a nice drinking game (exponential increase of mistakes and resulting shots as shots are taken). >

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Steve Crusan
On 2/17/11 5:27 PM, "Ellis H. Wilson III" wrote: > On 02/17/11 14:52, Robert G. Brown wrote: >> Now, after mutilating THAT metaphor, back to work...;-) > > I've been waiting on the absurd metaphors to come out ;). I think my > favorite of all time (granted it's not really a metaphor, but > none

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Ellis H. Wilson III
On 02/17/11 14:52, Robert G. Brown wrote: > Now, after mutilating THAT metaphor, back to work...;-) I've been waiting on the absurd metaphors to come out ;). I think my favorite of all time (granted it's not really a metaphor, but nonetheless) is something about sacrificing a goat over the comp

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Bob Drzyzgula
On 17/02/11 14:52 -0500, Robert G. Brown wrote: > On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Bob Drzyzgula wrote: > >> Of course. Been there, done that, on a dial-up terminal with a thermal >> printer at 110 baud over an acoustic coupler. If you know how to use >> sed you probably can suss out ed. I had to know how to u

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Bob Drzyzgula wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Robert G. Brown wrote: Even older guys could still use ed on an actual teletype (not a tty interface, mind you, I'm talking the actual printer terminal). Of course. Been there, done that, on a dial-up terminal with

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > And you have a whole "cluster" of brewing vessels that you make small > changes in to do a suitable Monte Carlo approach? Actually, I'm converting to a superbrewer -- I had a two node brewery, and will probably keep my two five gallon 1 cycle per week

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Peter St. John
I booted System V (from "Microport", a competitor of SCO Xenix) on an i286 (IBM AT, which I bought retail at an IBM Product Center, had 1.2 MB floppy drive!) with 512K RAM. pwd, ls, worked fine, but my third command, "vi temp" hung. There are limits even for vi. I had to expand the real memory. Pet

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Peter St. John
"I'm guessing that he [the ubergeek] has figured out how to hotwire init so that it just forks emacs and skips everything else..." [RGB] I think essentially they had that: Lisp used to be inefficient (as, aimed at the way logicians think, not at the way machines think) on general purpose hardware

Re: [Beowulf] maui: how to set different walltime for different users

2011-02-17 Thread Bill Wichser
We do this by individual requests to extend walltime and as sysadmin use the "qalter -l walltime=720:00:00 ,jobid>" to increase to 720 hours say. If it isn't too many jobs involved in the requests, we can easily handle this. Otherwise, a queue per user or time slot, protected with ACL, is go

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread David Mathog
Editors are like cars, there are lots of them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors and one person's preference may be incomprehensible to another. So do we really need to talk about editors? Regards, David Mathog mat...@caltech.edu Manager, Sequence Analysis Facility, B

[Beowulf] maui: how to set different walltime for different users

2011-02-17 Thread akshar bhosale
hi, we have a cluster on 16 nodes where we run torque+maui. We have set max walltime of 4 days for all jobs. we want to set different max walltimes for different users. e.g. user abc wants 5 days as max walltime, user xyzwants 55 days as max walltime for a single job. we dont want to create new

Re: [Beowulf] [OT] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Egan Ford
> Bob Drzyzgula wrote: > > There's a saying among photographers that the best camera > > is the one you have with you. I think a similar argument > > can be made for editors -- the best editor is the one > > you know how to use. > > > > While I am firmly in the vi camp > > > > While I tried to lear

Re: [Beowulf] [OT] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Lawrence Stewart
On Feb 17, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Bob Drzyzgula wrote: > On a lot of platforms in the early days there weren't a lot of > choices, you just used what was there. In the early '80s, I worked at > some places were Wylbur was just How One Did Things; but it was > actually pretty powerful. If you were wor

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Bob Drzyzgula
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Robert G. Brown wrote: > > Even older guys could still use ed on an actual > teletype (not a tty interface, mind you, I'm talking the actual printer > terminal). Of course. Been there, done that, on a dial-up terminal with a thermal printer at 110 baud over an ac

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
And you have a whole "cluster" of brewing vessels that you make small changes in to do a suitable Monte Carlo approach? From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of Robert G. Brown [r...@phy.duke.edu] Sent: Thursday, Februa

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Leif Nixon wrote: 2011/2/17 Robert G. Brown : I'm game.  Any excuse to drink beer is a good one, now that I make my own (needless to say, perfect) beer... Sans alcohol, I presume. No, merely with >>a fraction<< of the alcohol in, say, Everclear...;-) Although the batc

Re: [Beowulf] [OT] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Bob Drzyzgula
e2 & e3 -- were those the ones that, when you searched for a string it would draw ovals around the results? I was fond of those as well, for the limited time I had anything to do with OS/2. For a while, on our Sun systems in the late '80s but before emacs gained any popularity, we offered the RAND

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Bob Drzyzgula wrote: On 17/02/11 22:44 +0700, "C. Bergström" wrote: Bob Drzyzgula wrote: While I tried to learn emacs a couple of times, it just seemed like it took forever for the thing to load. fwiw some people still *really* care about emacs performance even on moder

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Prentice Bisbal
We would need to add "Drink *heavily* when crazy dutchman hijacks any thread to go completely off-topic to criticize the actions of the United States government" Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > Certainly, our list namesake was no stranger to drinking games... > And off topic digressions in the middle of

Re: [Beowulf] [OT] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Joe Landman
shades of editor wars from ... decades ago ... e2 and e3 (a programming editor at IBM TJ Watson, never made it out the door as far as I remember, though OS2 had some build variant of it built in), was amazing. Pretty good by todays standards. If I'm remote, no higher bandwidth link, I'll use

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > I have a nice "me" or microemacs, written by Dave Conroy, back in the day. > The tarball is 121K. > I asked him how to change the keybindings and he said "use the change > configuration command". > "It's called "cc" on the system." Jove is one not

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Leif Nixon
On 17 February 2011 16:59, Robert G. Brown wrote: > I'm guessing that he has figured out how to hotwire init so that it just > forks emacs and skips everything else.  That is, assuming that he hasn't > actually hacked emacs directly into the kernel.  Who needs init, anyway? > One can start anythi

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Leif Nixon wrote: > "Robert G. Brown" writes: > >> How big are the emacs sources these days? I mean, the installed binary >> and common packages alone are 22 MB in F14... and was that 73 MB >> installed? Why, it was, wasn't it. :-) > > And it's all full of goodness! I'll

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Leif Nixon
2011/2/17 Robert G. Brown : > > I'm game.  Any excuse to drink beer is a good one, now that I make my > own (needless to say, perfect) beer... Sans alcohol, I presume. -- Leif Nixon                       -            Systems expert Nat

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Gavin W. Burris
I'm an emacs-to-vim convert. Join me, brothers and sisters! But seriously I used to spend way too much time customizing every aspect of ever aplication I used. This included my .emacs.el file. I've stopped doing this because I have real programming to do, and I have to choose my battles. No

Re: [Beowulf] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread Bob Drzyzgula
On 17/02/11 22:44 +0700, "C. Bergström" wrote: > Bob Drzyzgula wrote: >> >> While I tried to learn emacs a couple of times, it just >> seemed like it took forever for the thing to load. > fwiw some people still *really* care about emacs performance even on > modern hw. We (PathScale) have a few

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, "C. Bergström" wrote: Michael H. Frese wrote: Let the Editor Wars begin! Does that mean it's time to start a beowulf adapted drinking game[1] for each post about which editor is best going forward? [1] http://blog.joelesler.net/the-snort-drinking-game ___

Re: [Beowulf] [OT] EMACS vs VI

2011-02-17 Thread C. Bergström
Bob Drzyzgula wrote: > There's a saying among photographers that the best camera > is the one you have with you. I think a similar argument > can be made for editors -- the best editor is the one > you know how to use. > > While I am firmly in the vi camp -- the only emacs > command I ever really m

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Bob Drzyzgula
There's a saying among photographers that the best camera is the one you have with you. I think a similar argument can be made for editors -- the best editor is the one you know how to use. While I am firmly in the vi camp -- the only emacs command I ever really managed to learn was ^X^C -- there

[Beowulf] Wired article on AI

2011-02-17 Thread Prentice Bisbal
Since Watson on Jeopardy! Lead to a discussion on AI, did anyone else read Wired's cover story from last month on AI? If not, here's the link to it (at bottom). The main gist of it is this: AI is all around us today, but it's nothing like we expected it to be. Instead of trying to model human inte

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
Certainly, our list namesake was no stranger to drinking games... And off topic digressions in the middle of a story, for that matter. From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of "C. Bergström" [cbergst...@pathscale.com] Sen

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Leif Nixon
"Robert G. Brown" writes: > How big are the emacs sources these days? I mean, the installed binary > and common packages alone are 22 MB in F14... and was that 73 MB > installed? Why, it was, wasn't it. :-) And it's all full of goodness! -- Leif Nixon - Security officer National Supercomput

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread C. Bergström
Michael H. Frese wrote: > Let the Editor Wars begin! > Does that mean it's time to start a beowulf adapted drinking game[1] for each post about which editor is best going forward? [1] http://blog.joelesler.net/the-snort-drinking-game ___ Beowulf mail

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
"the best editor" "what is ???" From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On Behalf Of Michael H. Frese [michael.fr...@numerex-llc.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 06:14 To: Prentice Bisbal; Beowulf Mailing List Subject: Re: [Beo

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Michael H. Frese
Let the Editor Wars begin! Mike At 09:10 AM 2/16/2011, Prentice Bisbal wrote: >Anyone see this yet? He's pretty dead on, IMHO, especially 5,6,9 > > >http://www.infoworld.com/t/unix/nine-traits-the-veteran-unix-admin-276 > >-- >Prentice > >___ >Beowulf

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Leif Nixon wrote: > "Robert G. Brown" writes: > >> I personally am crippled without jove (a C-based binary, non-lisp >> small emacs > > Non-lisp Emacs? What's the point? I bet you drink decaf coffee as well. Half-decaf. And I use half-and-half, too, to avoid the >>bloat<< c

Re: [Beowulf] 9 traits of the veteran Unix admin

2011-02-17 Thread Leif Nixon
"Robert G. Brown" writes: > I personally am crippled without jove (a C-based binary, non-lisp > small emacs Non-lisp Emacs? What's the point? I bet you drink decaf coffee as well. -- Leif Nixon - Security officer National Supercomputer Centre - Swedish National Infrastructure for Computing Nor