Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
i know there is non conductive water which if it gets on something shouldnt conduct electricity but how safe is a water cooled system? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Jack Carrozzo wrote: > Water cooling for computers just uses the water to suck away heat, not > the boiling business (which is,

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
then if that is a problem then how does water cooling work? ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf

RE: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
If you put something hot into a liquid, you have to worry about forming a film of vapor that keeps the liquid from touching the hot thing, and radically reduces the heat transfer. It's all tied up with the turbulence in the liquid, the surface tension of the liquid, etc. Boiling is a really g

Re: [Beowulf] AMD 6100 vs Intel 5600

2010-04-07 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 03:45:48PM -0400, Alex Chekholko wrote: > I think this is an unusual situation, historically speaking. The price/perf curve has always had a knee, and it is always advancing towards more cores/box. One nice thing about AMD's market share woes is that you can often get the

RE: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org [mailto:beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Creager > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:52 AM > To: Hearns, John > Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure > > Hearns, J

Re: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Douglas Eadline
You can also read about some of Jon's clusters here: http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/273/33/ -- Doug > In this case we have large "home made" heat sinks, I'll put up more > pictures when I get the time. You can check other designs at > > > > > www.renget.se/gallery.html > > > > > In

Re: [Beowulf] which 24 port unmanaged GigE switch?

2010-04-07 Thread Andrew Piskorski
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 06:35:22PM -0400, Jesse Becker wrote: > Also, as Joe Landman mentioned, Dell PowerConnect switches are just > rebranded SMC units. Decent for the price, but not powerhouses. Well, this place is selling ("refurbished") 48 port SMC 8648T gigabit switches for $300, which see

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Gerald Creager
Hearns, John wrote: sry for another post but i just got an idea. im not sure if you have seen that you tube video of a guy who put his whole setup in a fish tank and was using cooking oil i believe to cool everything. would be interesting to see the 2nd cluster put into a big enough tank and cool

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
keep up the good work would love to try one of these systems in a rendering environment. ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit http://www.beowulf.org/ma

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Tegner
If you used oil, you could build something smaller (at least if you don't count the tank). The 2nd cluster gets sufficient cooling from the natural convection which develops in the channel (no forced convection). The same would hold for water. It would be fun to try, but I think air is more c

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
filming in what sense with the heat though i thought that the heat would prevent the oil from congealing? > > ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit htt

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
For electronics cooling.. Mineral oil, usually with a oxidation inhibitor. Shell Diala AX is what I use. For HV, dry and clean is important. If your hardware isn't oil compatible, then a variety of silicones (e.g. Fluorinert) are used (at substantially higher cost). For really high power densit

Re: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
john sry for the mis understanding in regards to the type of oil used i did some searchign and i turned up alot of videos of people doing something similar using mineral oil as the coolant. ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Pengui

RE: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Hearns, John
sry for another post but i just got an idea. im not sure if you have seen that you tube video of a guy who put his whole setup in a fish tank and was using cooking oil i believe to cool everything. would be interesting to see the 2nd cluster put into a big enough tank and cooled with oil. These s

RE: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Hearns, John
In this case we have large "home made" heat sinks, I'll put up more pictures when I get the time. You can check other designs at www.renget.se/gallery.html I had a look at your site - looks like these clusters mount the motherboards on a central heatsink, which is hollow uses convection

Re: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
sry for another post but i just got an idea. im not sure if you have seen that you tube video of a guy who put his whole setup in a fish tank and was using cooking oil i believe to cool everything. would be interesting to see the 2nd cluster put into a big enough tank and cooled with oil. On Wed,

Re: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
how much would something like this go for? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jon Tegner wrote: > In this case we have large "home made" heat sinks, I'll put up more > pictures when I get the time. You can check other designs at > > www.renget.se/gallery.html > > In contrast to our "Second cluster"

Re: Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Tegner
In this case we have large "home made" heat sinks, I'll put up more pictures when I get the time. You can check other designs at www.renget.se/gallery.html In contrast to our "Second cluster" on that site, which is completely fan less, this has two large fans. By using the fans one can get

Re: [Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
is one of you an engineer? how well does the air flow in the case. what gets air into and out of the case if there are just only 2 fans on the box? you guys ever consider marketing this product? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jon Tegner wrote: > We (me and my brother) have been into silent comp

[Beowulf] 96 cores in silent and small enclosure

2010-04-07 Thread Jon Tegner
We (me and my brother) have been into silent computing, and clusters, for quite some time now. We just recently designed and built a unit equipped with 4 supermicro boards (H8DMT) and 8 cpus. In the actual unit the cpus are Opterons with 6 cores each, but it would be easy enough to switch to cpus w