Re: [Beowulf] integrating node disks into a cluster filesystem?

2009-09-25 Thread Alan Louis Scheinine
I have done only a few experiments with parallel file systems but I've run some benchmarks on each one I've encountered. With regard to Joshua Baker-LePain's comment I played with PVFS1 a bit back in the day. My impression at the time was they they were focused on MPI-IO, and the POSIX layer wa

Re: [Beowulf] integrating node disks into a cluster filesystem?

2009-09-25 Thread Mark Hahn
users to cache data-in-progress to scratch space on the nodes. But there's a definite draw to a single global scratch space that scales automatically with the cluster itself. using node-local storage is fine, but really an orthogonal issue. if people are willing to do it, it's great and scales

[Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Steve Cousins
Hi Rahul, I went through a fair amount of work with this sort of thing (specifying performance and then getting the vendor to bring it up to expectations when performance didn't come close) and I was happiest with Bonnie++ in terms of simplicity of use and the range of stats you get. I haven'

Re: [Beowulf] integrating node disks into a cluster filesystem?

2009-09-25 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 at 6:09pm, Mark Hahn wrote but since 1U nodes are still the most common HPC building block, and most of them support 4 LFF SATA disks with very little added cost (esp using the chipset's integrated controller), is there a way to integrate them into a whole-cluster filesyste

[Beowulf] integrating node disks into a cluster filesystem?

2009-09-25 Thread Mark Hahn
Hi all, I'm sure you've noticed that disks are incredibly cheap, obscenely large and remarkably fast (at least in bandwidth). the "cheap" part is the only one of these that's really an issue, since the question becomes: how to keep storage infrastructure cost (overhead) dominating the system co

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Joe Landman wrote: > Looks like your IOP latency is around 50ms.  If you think about this, it >  seems a little high, even for a RAID5.  I'll do some measurements here on > our big units and we can compare. Thanks again Joe! About the latency: It could have some

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Joe Landman
Rahul Nabar wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Rahul Nabar wrote: We use this to model bonnie++ and other types of workloads. It provides a great deal of useful information. More details from the fio benchmark.

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Rahul Nabar wrote: >> We use this to model bonnie++ and other types of workloads.  It provides a >> great deal of useful information. > > More details from the fio benchmark. ###

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Joe Landman wrote: > I've found fio (http://freshmeat.net/projects/fio/) to be an excellent > testing tool for disk systems.  To use it, compile it (requires libaio), and > then run it as > >        fio input.fio > > For a nice simple IOP test, try this: > > [rando

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Michael Will wrote: > By the way, if you have to work through a purchasing departement that only > looks at the cheapest price, but > you want to go with a specific vendor because of the superior solution and > technical expertise, then you can Thanks! I guess I

RE: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Michael Will
By the way, if you have to work through a purchasing departement that only looks at the cheapest price, but you want to go with a specific vendor because of the superior solution and technical expertise, then you can engage the sales engineer / sales person in defining a uniqueness about the so

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Michael Will wrote: > Some will have quite technically skilled sales engineering resources, and > Jeff Layton for sure is somebody with deep > technical experience. Absolutely. Jeff has been a great help so far. Even before he responded to my questions here I've

RE: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Michael Will
Rahul, >From what you posted to the list there is no need to apologize. If there was >something going on behind the curtains personally between you and Jeff then that is not really a concern to the list. Keep asking questions and keep curious, and keep posting back results that you find. In fa

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Rahul Nabar
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Jeff Layton wrote: >I don't want to take a public list to pick a fight but I don't want Rahul to >bad mouth me, my reputation, and the company I work for without some >sort or rebuttal. Jeff: I'm sorry that you take this as bad mouthing you. I sincerely apologi

Re: [Beowulf] posting bonnie++ stats from our cluster: any comments about my I/O performance stats?

2009-09-25 Thread Jeff Layton
OK, I've had enough of Rahul's posting to this list so I thought I would publically respond to his comments since they directly affect me, my integrity, and the company I work for during the day. Heh ... depends on the vendor. We are pretty open and free with our numbers (to our current/prospec