Re: [Beowulf] RE: Capitalization Rates - How often should you replace a cluster? (resent - 1st sending wasn't posted ).

2009-01-16 Thread Lux, James P
On 1/16/09 12:03 PM, "Robert G. Brown" wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Greg Lindahl wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Lechner, David A. wrote: >> >>> Sometimes the newer technology uses less power and is cheaper to >>> operate(anyone ever create a KW/MFLOP vs. Time curve?

Re: [Beowulf] RE: Capitalization Rates - How often should you replace a cluster? (resent - 1st sending wasn't posted ).

2009-01-16 Thread Mark Hahn
The question was raised as "When should all these servers be upgraded or replaced again?" 3-5 years, IMO. if you replace hardware in <3 years, you're obviously burning money. that's defensible sometimes, but always pretty dubious - or else you need an inflated sense of self-importance like o

Re: [Beowulf] Multisocket mainboard hardware problems

2009-01-16 Thread Jon Aquilina
i added the mailing list to this since you did not hit reply to all and i have been the only one getting the replies. i think that is not fair and you should be allowed to contact the manufacturer directly. i did that with corsair cuz of some fault ram and im rma ing the paried set that i have back

Re: [Beowulf] RE: Capitalization Rates - How often should you replace a cluster? (resent - 1st sending wasn't posted ).

2009-01-16 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Greg Lindahl wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Lechner, David A. wrote: Sometimes the newer technology uses less power and is cheaper to operate(anyone ever create a KW/MFLOP vs. Time curve? has that really gone down? ) I'd think that you would have l

Re: [Beowulf] Gigabit switch recommendations (again)

2009-01-16 Thread Joe Landman
stephen mulcahy wrote: What I'm seeing in my research is that there are a bunch of switches around the €600 mark (such as D-Link's DGS-1248T) and then a bunch of switches around the €1300 mark (such as HP's Procurve 2810-48G). If you A customer recently replaced the D-Link model switch wit

[Beowulf] Gigabit switch recommendations (again)

2009-01-16 Thread stephen mulcahy
Hi, Thanks to everyone for their responses to my KVM query - I need to digest those a bit more but the general picture I'm getting is that KVMs are expensive and don't add much to the overall management. On a related note, I'm also looking at a gigabit switch for the same cluster. I saw some

Re: [Beowulf] KVM advice

2009-01-16 Thread Buccaneer for Hire.
As has been mentioned before, having traditional KVMs can become rather problematic when you have high node density or a lot of nodes. You have to put those cables somewhere. We use terminal servers that connect to the serial ports on the nodes and can be accessed over the network. We are ha

Re: [Beowulf] RE: Capitalization Rates - How often should you replace a cluster? (resent - 1st sending wasn't posted ).

2009-01-16 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:26:00PM -0500, Lechner, David A. wrote: > Sometimes the newer technology uses less power and is cheaper to > operate(anyone ever create a KW/MFLOP vs. Time curve? has that > really gone down? ) I'd think that you would have looked that up before you posted! I don't

Re: [Beowulf] KVM advice

2009-01-16 Thread Michael H. Frese
We use D-Link DKVM-8E's and chain them together quite satisfactorily to a single console in one room. It works okay for 16 nodes. I don't know why it wouldn't work for 40, but there's no way to access them remotely. Mike At 08:17 AM 1/16/2009, you wrote: Hi, Do people here normally use K

Re: [Beowulf] Nehalem and Shanghai code performance for our rzf example

2009-01-16 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Note that single threaded performance doesn't say a thing, because when just 1 core runs, nehalem automatically overclocks 1 core. A very nasty feature. My experience is that Shanghai scales 4.0 nearly versus nehalem 3.2, because of the overclocking of 1 core. So seeing a 9% higher IPC is not v

Re: [Beowulf] KVM advice

2009-01-16 Thread Jon Forrest
stephen mulcahy wrote: Hi, Do people here normally use KVMs for management of compute nodes or forego those and either have a grad student with a keyboard+monitor on a trolley or rely entirely on remote management cards and/or IPMI? My problem with old fasion KVMs is that all those extra cab

Re: [Beowulf] KVM advice

2009-01-16 Thread Joe Landman
stephen mulcahy wrote: Hi, Do people here normally use KVMs for management of compute nodes or forego those and either have a grad student with a keyboard+monitor on a trolley or rely entirely on remote management cards and/or IPMI? IPMI 2.0 with kvm over IP whenever possible. Crash cart

[Beowulf] "The Promise of GP-GPU Computing"

2009-01-16 Thread Finch, Ralph
Speaking of Linux Mag, nice article by Douglas summarizing GPU computing for HPC. But Doug, maybe have someone read it for typos? Ralph Finch, P.E. California Dept. of Water Resources Delta Modeling Section, Bay-Delta Office Room 215-13 1416 9th Street Sacramento CA 95814 916-653-7552 rfi...@wat

[Beowulf] RE: Capitalization Rates - How often should you replace a cluster? (resent - 1st sending wasn't posted ).

2009-01-16 Thread Lechner, David A.
Hello Again to all you Beowulf users! Similar to Doug Edline's poll I was a subscriber in the late 1990s, but had to sign off the list for several years as my job changed. I used to follow many of your posts with such interest, and hope you oldtimers (and newer subscribers as well) are all d

[Beowulf] KVM advice

2009-01-16 Thread stephen mulcahy
Hi, Do people here normally use KVMs for management of compute nodes or forego those and either have a grad student with a keyboard+monitor on a trolley or rely entirely on remote management cards and/or IPMI? For those of you that use KVMs, what ones do you normally use? I'm taking a look a

[Beowulf] Nehalem and Shanghai code performance for our rzf example

2009-01-16 Thread Joe Landman
Hi folks: Thought you might like to see this. I rewrote the interior loop for our Riemann Zeta Function (rzf) example for SSE2, and ran it on a Nehalem and on a Shanghai. This code is compute intensive. The inner loop which had been written as this (some small hand optimization, loop unr

[Beowulf] 2008 BeoBash Pictures

2009-01-16 Thread Douglas Eadline
All: In keeping with our timely reporting pledge, ClusterMonkey has just posted pictures form the BeoBash http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/244/1/ Thanks again sponsors: AMD, NVidia, ClusterCorp, Penguin/Sclyd Computing, Terascala, and Xand Marketing. And while you are there, take th

Re: [Beowulf] HPC Market Question

2009-01-16 Thread Jon Aquilina
i havent done much digging in the transistor count but from people i have talked to in regards to the i7s the i7s are true quad cores im not sure what that means for the core 2 quads that came before the i7. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Mark Hahn wrote: > normally according to moores law new

Re: [Beowulf] HPC Market Question

2009-01-16 Thread Mark Hahn
normally according to moores law new technology is released every 18 months. no: it observes that _transistor_count_ (at efficient cost) doubles every _2_years_. the wikipedia page is very good. however, ML largely ignores the fact the various measures that display exponential improvement are

[Beowulf] OFED 1.4 packages for debian

2009-01-16 Thread Guy Coates
Hi all, I have made a set of OFED 1.4 infiniband for debian sid. The packages contain the utilities, libraries and kernel modules not currently packaged for debian. ftp://ftp.sanger.ac.uk/pub/gmpc/repository/infiniband/ sources.list entry: deb ftp://ftp.sanger.ac.uk/pub/gmpc/repository/infinib