Re: [Beowulf] OT: speculation regarding the 22nm fab process

2008-09-29 Thread Alan Louis Scheinine
If you are not interested in optics, press delete now. Peter St. John wrote > Imagine building a process at say 44 nm, then measuring > it's output at 22nm precision. I'm considering the 22nm scale > measurement as a distortion. Then compute the inverse; apply > the inverse to your design; an

RE: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Lux, James P
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Re: [Beowulf] OT: speculation regarding the 22nm fab process

2008-09-29 Thread Peter St. John
Vincent, I can well imagine that the topic is very competitive at some level; and I'm certainly not seeking to leech industrial secrets from IBM or anyone else. I'm just curious about the physics plausibility of something vaguely along those lines. To quote from someone who replied offline, "...Bu

Re: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Lawrence Stewart
The IEEE-1588 "Precision Time Protocol" can provide such levels of global clock synchronization. That's the one I was trying to remember, but I didn't compose a good query and couldn't find it. IIRC the NIC timestamps arriving packets right off the wire? We have an on-chip logic ana

Re: [Beowulf] OT: speculation regarding the 22nm fab process

2008-09-29 Thread Vincent Diepeveen
Hi Peter, There is thousands of people working in those companies that produce those machines, like ASML here does do. ASML arguably has the best machines of the planet and that can get proven by the fact that they can deliver to more and more companies world wide. I happen to know several

RE: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Lux, James P
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lombard, David N > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:21 PM > To: Prentice Bisbal > Cc: Beowulf Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at

Re: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Lawrence Stewart
On Sep 29, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Prentice Bisbal wrote: In the previous thread I instigated about running services in cluster nodes, there was some mentioning of precisely synchronizing the system clocks and this issue is also mentioned in this paper: "The Case of Missing Supercomputer Performance

Re: [Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Lombard, David N
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 01:10:49PM -0700, Prentice Bisbal wrote: > In the previous thread I instigated about running services in cluster > nodes, there was some mentioning of precisely synchronizing the system > clocks and this issue is also mentioned in this paper: > > "The Case of Missing Superc

[Beowulf] OT: speculation regarding the 22nm fab process

2008-09-29 Thread Peter St. John
In catching up on email from a week at the beach (got to meet RGB for the first time since we were undergrads) and Slashdot had this item http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/19/0126232 regarding IBM's 22nm process. The explanation (maybe a week old) is that IBM usss mathematics to com

[Beowulf] precise synchronization of system clocks

2008-09-29 Thread Prentice Bisbal
In the previous thread I instigated about running services in cluster nodes, there was some mentioning of precisely synchronizing the system clocks and this issue is also mentioned in this paper: "The Case of Missing Supercomputer Performance: Achieving Optimal Performance on the 8,192 processor A

Re: [Beowulf] Compute Node OS on Local Disk vs. Ram Disk

2008-09-29 Thread Reuti
Hi, Am 29.09.2008 um 12:27 schrieb Alan Ward: Ram disks, definately. ;-) Afraid I'm still going with diskless nodes. You save 1. some money on the disks themselves 2. more money on solving disk failures this highly depends on the used applications. Quantum chemistry code like Gaussian03 or

RE: [Beowulf] Compute Node OS on Local Disk vs. Ram Disk

2008-09-29 Thread Alan Ward
Ram disks, definately. ;-) Afraid I'm still going with diskless nodes. You save 1. some money on the disks themselves 2. more money on solving disk failures 3. yet more money on cooling This may be specially important in a high-density rack situation, where if you get the disks out of the wa