Re: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Geoff Jacobs
Gregory Warnes wrote: > > > > On 7/1/08 3:25PM , "Mark Hahn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hmmm for me, its all about the kernel. Thats 90+% of the > battle. Some > > distros use good kernels, some do not. I won't mention who I think > is in the > > latter category.

Re: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 01:29:39AM -0400, Gregory Warnes wrote: > On fundimental difference in philospohy explains both the fundimental > differences between RPM and debian packages, and the reason for the lack of > emphasis of in-place upgrades of desktop distros: vendor income. It is not > in R

RE: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, Geoff Galitz wrote: Just a nit: Most RPM based distros allow in-place upgrades between minor point releases using "yum update" or "yum upgrade" (they follow different rules on how to resolve obsolete packages). However, moving between major releases is still recommended

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Hi Tim, Tim Cutts wrote: > >> trivial with pdsh >> >> pdsh apt-get install package > Well with dsh it's the same, but "our" way ensures that the nodes will have the exactly same set-up after a reinstallation ;) > DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive \ >/usr/bin/aptitude -R -y \ > -o Dp

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Joe Landman
Tim Cutts wrote: On 4 Jul 2008, at 3:41 pm, Joe Landman wrote: Carsten Aulbert wrote: easy with dsh and fai softupdate :) trivial with pdsh pdsh apt-get install package Actually, that one could get you in a mess if the package is going to to ask questions. You might want to shut a

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Jul 2008, at 3:41 pm, Joe Landman wrote: Carsten Aulbert wrote: easy with dsh and fai softupdate :) trivial with pdsh pdsh apt-get install package Actually, that one could get you in a mess if the package is going to to ask questions. You might want to shut apt-get up. I

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Joe Landman
Carsten Aulbert wrote: easy with dsh and fai softupdate :) trivial with pdsh pdsh apt-get install package or pdsh yum install package Clusters/systems of arbitrary size. -- Joseph Landman, Ph.D Founder and CEO Scalable Informatics LLC, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Testing would be done with one machine. It would be foolish to test > such a thing on your production network. What if it crashed everything > in sight? > Sure, testing always needs to start at the count of 1, then 2, 10, > Once you know you want something, thou

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Carsten Aulbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> What about my kernel patch to use unprived ports? Did you try it? > > No sorry, this approach with just setting the limits seems much easier > than installing 1300 new kernels ;) Testing would be done with one machine. It would be foolish to test suc

Re: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Jon Aquilina
that also applies to the k/ubuntu as well it used to be you can edit the source list and do a complete dist upgrade. now that has change and requires the alternate installation cd. the first way was not worth the time because it broke stuff more then it was worth. the time spent on that could have

Re: [Beowulf] /usr/local over NFS is okay, Joe

2008-07-04 Thread Tony Travis
Tim Cutts wrote: On 4 Jul 2008, at 12:44 pm, Tony Travis wrote: One thing that I value from my BSD/SunOS/Solaris days is /export, which is where ALL shared (exported) filesystems should be placed on NFS servers. I'm a real supporter of Debian/Ubuntu, but it drives me bonkers that Debian poli

Re: [Beowulf] Small Distributed Clusters

2008-07-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Jul 2008, at 12:10 pm, Tony Travis wrote: I suggest you have a look at "dsh" (Dancer's distributed shell) as a simple way to run programs across local and geographically separate nodes in your cluster. This is very simple, but works remarkably well, especially if you use SSH keys for

Re: [Beowulf] /usr/local over NFS is okay, Joe

2008-07-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Jul 2008, at 12:44 pm, Tony Travis wrote: One thing that I value from my BSD/SunOS/Solaris days is /export, which is where ALL shared (exported) filesystems should be placed on NFS servers. I'm a real supporter of Debian/Ubuntu, but it drives me bonkers that Debian policy is to put ho

Re: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Gregory Warnes wrote: interesting - I wonder why. the main difference would be that the rpm format encodes dependencies... The basic problem is that when folks build the .tar.gz files, they usually do a good job of explaining the dependencies and how to resolve them, while

Re: [Beowulf] /usr/local over NFS is okay, Joe

2008-07-04 Thread Tony Travis
Joe Landman wrote: [...] Yeah, it is ambiguous to a degree, but I figure that something named /local is actually going to be physically local. It helps tremendously when a user calls up with a problem, say that they can't see a file they placed in /local/... on all nodes. Usually they get qui

Re: [Beowulf] Small Distributed Clusters

2008-07-04 Thread Tony Travis
Ian Pascoe wrote: Hi all, Firstly before getting into the nitty gritty of my question, a bit of background. Myself and a friend are looking to set up initially two small clusters of 4 boxes each, using old surplus commodity hardware. The main purpose of the cluster is to hold data and perform

Re: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Jul 2008, at 8:23 am, Geoff Galitz wrote: Just a nit: Most RPM based distros allow in-place upgrades between minor point releases using "yum update" or "yum upgrade" (they follow different rules on how to resolve obsolete packages). However, moving between major releases is sti

Re: [Beowulf] Re: OT: LTO Ultrium (3) throughput?

2008-07-04 Thread Jon Aquilina
would it be possible to back up to tape as well as raided hdd array? On 7/4/08, Geoff Galitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Backing up to tape allows you to go back to a specific point in history. > Particularly useful if you need to recover a file that has become corrupted > or you need to roll

Re: [Beowulf] automount on high ports

2008-07-04 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Hi Perry, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > What about my kernel patch to use unprived ports? Did you try it? No sorry, this approach with just setting the limits seems much easier than installing 1300 new kernels ;) Sorry Carsten PS: With the new limits it *just* works. -- Dr. Carsten Aulbert - Ma

RE: [Beowulf] A press release

2008-07-04 Thread Geoff Galitz
Just a nit: Most RPM based distros allow in-place upgrades between minor point releases using "yum update" or "yum upgrade" (they follow different rules on how to resolve obsolete packages). However, moving between major releases is still recommended via a CD or other non-in-place media, th

RE: [Beowulf] Re: OT: LTO Ultrium (3) throughput?

2008-07-04 Thread Geoff Galitz
Backing up to tape allows you to go back to a specific point in history. Particularly useful if you need to recover a file that has become corrupted or you need to rollback to a specific stage and you are unaware of that fact for a few days. Geoff Galitz Blankenheim NRW, Deutschland http:

Re: [Beowulf] Re: OT: LTO Ultrium (3) throughput?

2008-07-04 Thread Jon Aquilina
this is slightly off topic but im just wondering why spend thousands of dollars when u can just setup another server and backup everything to a raided hard drive array? On 7/2/08, Steve Cousins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just under 60MB/sec seems to be the maximum tape transport read/write